TMNT Talkback "Turtles Forever" (Spoilers)

I apologize if this has been addressed already, but is there a reason why they didn't get the original 1980s voice actors to reprise their roles? Having said that, they did a tremendous job finding "sound alike" actors.
 
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Episode 169: Turtles Forever, Part 3
Original Air Date: December 12th, 2009​
Relive "the greatest Ninja Turtle story ever told!" The encore presentation of Turtles Forever concludes today at 10:30 AM. See what changes are made to the special as it airs in episodic format.
 
Chaos Yoshi, you should know that the original comic book's Frank Miller elements don't really last past issue 1. Eastman and Laird dispensed with the narration by issue 2, and by issue 3, it'd begun introducing more general sci-fi elements. It's still worthwhile--I'd recommend the Collected edition that came out a few months ago--but for quite different reasons.
 
The '87 TMNT voice actors (Cam Clarke, Townsend Coleman, Rob Paulsen, Barry Gordon, et al) all belonged to a union, so 4Kids couldn't afford to hire them for Turtles Forever. But the replacements did a credible job; Dan Green's Leo took some getting used to, but I adapted to his voicing after a couple of lines.
 
I only caught half of it, but I thought it was cool seeing the comic book version, the 80's version and the 90's one together.
Of course, mostly because it's a crossover, and I'm always a big fan of those.
 
Yeah, the Mirage comic Turtles aren't serious all the time like in this special. This was based on issue #1 where the Turtles didn't have distinct personalities yet.

For those who never read the comics, the best way I could describe the Mirage Turtles is a more laid-back version of the 2k3 or Movie Turtles.

Michelangelo is a lot more mature in the comics than he has ever been depicted in the cartoons or movies, but the other three Turtles act pretty much the same you expect them too. Its a mix of the 2k3/Movie Turtles, but not toned down for kids.
 
This was indeed a cool TMNT special with the 80's TMNT meeting with the 2K3 TMNT. Even when the original actors from the 80's version didn't participated in this special still the other actors who replace them did a nice job, especially the one who did Raphael.

It's odd watching the 80's Turtles being too annoying, probably haven't watch them for awhile now yet it still was cool watching them in action and laugh how Raphael was talking to the viewers and Hun's starting to get annoyed by it until the point of telling Raph who was he talking to. Also the meeting of Utrom Shredder with the 80's Shredder and Krang was also fun to watch.

Hun mutating into a monster like turtle with the mutagen was cool, also cameos of Tokka and Rahzar and like how Shredder and Karai upgraded the entire Technodrome and the Foot soldiers. My fav was the multiverse by Shredder showning many TMNT versions until he locates the source of the origin of the Turtles where we see the Mirage dimension, the Mirage Turtles where awesome! too hardcore that 2k3 Raph wanted to join their universe XD.

I don't know if anyone pointed out this but watching how Ch’rell mentions he isn't afraid of no one but when the Mirage Turtles caught him by surprise he was really terrified by them XD. lol well it figures that Bebop and Rocksteady would save the day with their bumbling actions and in the ending was nice touch showing Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird if TMNT will do well back then.

Really enjoyed watching this special, can't wait to see the uncut version.
 
Bebop & Rocksteady were the ones who saved the universe, and it was old toon Don who pretty much saved all the turtles from from sure destruction. They poked fun at how silly the old show is. It's silly, we all know this. But it didn't stop the characters from still playing an important part of the plot. If he didn't appreciate them, he could have just had them do nothing at all.

But it's clear he doesn't like them as much as the other versions. That's perfectly fine. It's not like the shots weren't unwarranted.
 
I own several seasons of the OT myself. Most of the comments are from people saying "those aren't the Turtles I remember"

Outside of the the first few eps, much of the old series doesn't stand the test of time. That said, Turtles Forever is an accurate portrayal of the OT gang.
 
As a TMNT fan, this was quite possibly the best thing I have ever seen in my life.

It'll take me awhile to get all my thoughts together, but this was awesome.
 
Well its obviously the series finale for TMNT 2k3. But as for if its canon for the original toon Turtles, I don't see why not.

Shredder/Krang probably changed the Technodrome back into what it was, and it transports back underground in Season 3.



I'm pretty sure that was done intentionally. Nobody knows what Bebop and Rocksteady's human forms look like except for fans of the original cartoon. That was obviously intended for us older fans, not people who never saw the old show. I just saw it as a joke and nothing more.
 
As far as to the continuities and aftermath of Turtles Forever here's what I've got:

Final Conclusions:

Mirage Comics Universe: The Turtles going back to fighting and killing their Shredder thus ending the Volume 1 comics.

1987 Universe: This is the most debated one here. Their seems to many possibilities here.

A. The Turtles go back home, save April from those looney mutants, and Krang, Shredder, Bebop, & Rocksteady revert the Technodrome back to its Pre-Ultrom Technology. It sounds very silly, but that's about right in a way.

B. The Turtles go back home, save April from those looney mutants, and Krang, Shredder, Bebop, & Rocksteady uses Ultrom Technology to their advantage and forcing the Turtles to upgrave their equipment in much the same manner.

This alters their reality and timeline of 1987 Universe. The is also the possbility of the Red Sky episodes and events not happening at all.

C. The Turtles go back home along with Krang, Shredder, Bebop, & Rocksteady to the point before they got zapped into the 2k3 Universe, where they are still fighting over the Pink Mutagen. End result possibility sending the Technodrome back to Dimension X or to another part of the Earth.

2k3 Universe: The Turtles go back home, Ch'rell is dead, Karai is at peace, Hun remains a mutant turtle, and Casey & April are to be wed.

Unrosolved Issue (1987 Turtles):

Which part of the 1987 Universe does the Turtles come from?

Most of you are thinking that they are from Season 3, quite possibility they are from Season 7. During the Flashback Fight, Leo says the following...

"We were looking for away to end the fighting once and for all. Don had a rocket idea! Let's use the Technodrome's own Transdimensional Portal to send it back where it came!"

To me, it sounds like the Turtles had wanted to send the Technodrome back to Dimension X, along with Krang, Shredder, Bebop, & Rocksteady. Instead, things back fired it took them to the dimension of 2k3 Universe.

Another poster broght up "Shredder's Triumphant" Episode #170, Season 7 where the Turtles sent the Technodrome back to Dimension X for the last time and happen before the Red Sky arc.
 
You guys lose me when you dive into continuities, because not only am I not a huge fan of the 2003 Turtles (I tried to keep interest but I lost it in the first season somewhere), but The Turtles are much bigger than that. It's so much of a pop culture force that you don't really need to put certain slivers into time lines or formats. 80s Shredder, 80s Krang, 80s Turtles, you roughly know their story, here they are, let's make a movie.

Much of what has been said is how I feel. Some of what has been said is complete blasphemy, whether you're blinded by nostalgia goggles or not. I am not, which I remembered from my repeat airings of the 80s Turtles Toon from their DVD releases, but like many I do very logically and strongly believe that the writing used to make the 80s Toon Turtles seem goofy was weakly done.

It was for the sake of the movie's story, so I'm not going to be all nerdy offended by it. I always found their retardedness from the old show to be part 80s/90s and partly the fact that they didn't grow up in a sewer away from humans and other teenagers.

I know how inaccurate and unfair it is to use such a general scope to view the old show, because I could do the same thing with the 2003 show and it's equally not very nice. I didn't like the fact that a cool underground lair just fell into their laps, their catch phrases and early jokes are twinge-worthy in their desperate attempt to be hip and cool, and they would call the 80s Toon Turtles goofy while I remember an episode where the four 2k3 boys went out training and flipping around practicing their "ninja skills," meanwhile what they were doing was jumping from rooftop to rooftop shouting and woo-hoo-ing loud enough for anyone to poke their head out the window to gawk at them being all stealthy.

Someone made an excellent point about how they made fun of their "Ainti-Technodrome gear" but never once made mention of the stuff that was actually cool, like the Cheapskate, which Donatello named because it was effective, but didn't cost a lot to make. Way to go, Donnie, who by the way wouldn't mistake a wrench for a hammer.

The fourth wall stuff was okay, for the most part. It was funny, because it was a fun part of the old goofy cartoon, but it went on for so long that it almost felt like characters who didn't acknowledge the fourth wall bit were themselves breaking the fourth wall by doing so!

What I do have a bias with, though, is my 80s Toon Shredder. I don't like his goofy aspect, so I crave the cool HUMAN Oroku Saki from the early 80s Toon days and the first live action movie like a fat man craves a fresh box of Krispy Kreme, because that's all I have of him -Early old toon and movie. I appreciate the devious villainous nature of the Utrom Shredder of course. But I need my evil outcast martial arts master from Japan, not to mention his rival and former brother Hamato Yoshi.

Giving the new VO actors who voiced the 80s Turtles a B or B+ is fine, but to say they are equal or better than the originals is blasphemous. 80s Toon Turtles or not, the originals are VO icons from my day, and they can only be imitated. Rob Paulson's resume will knock your socks off if you read all of his excellent and memorable AND plentiful work. And Cam Clarke's voice is a leader (That's old school Leonardo for those keeping track).

Speaking of the old school original VOs, Shredder is ALSO among my favorites and kudos to earlier posts referring to him as "Uncle Phil." LOL! That guy rocked. Granted, like the others, I can understand if you can't get me the originals. Heck, I don't necessarily want them to do it, but like I said: imitated. Never duplicated.

Darkwing Duck is a special guest on Gargoyles? Adam West's Batman is a special guest in the Dark Knight movie? I appreciate the perspective, but I don't think I need a Glen Beck chalkboard collage (resembling the kids' placemat at a restaurant) as proof that these are incredibly inaccurate comparisons. Even if Darkwing Duck resembles 80s TMNT, which it definitely does, a piece of animated brilliance like Gargoyles, or cinematic brilliance like the Dark Knight, does not equal the 2003 TMNT cartoon. Besides, the 80s Toon Turtle show 'played itself for laughs,' not 'for laugh's at anyone's expense.'

The reason for the crying from the Technodrome forums? They're shallow goofy as heck but the one deep part of their characters in the movie they reflect on and feel is their fear, desperation, and sadness? Nope. Admittedly good try, but I don't buy it.



Yes, YES OH GOD YES I'm afraid so. My friend, it's even in the opening theme. It's a shell of a town!!! It was used once in the first movie, which had a darker, PG-13 type of feel with it, so it's okay. In that cartoon it was just overkill after its first use. A better time for one-liners and hip jokes was the 80s and 90s. You couldn't go wrong if you didn't mind campy.

With that said, and everything else off my chest, it's still impossible to give a thumbs down to this movie: Go Green Machine! Thanks for the fun ride, everyone who was involved with the project!
 
As a whole, I would say the Mirage Turtles were not an accurate portrayal of the Mirage Comics, but are probably a good portrayal of the first TMNT Mirage Comic issue, where the turtles and their world weren't really well defined.





This and the Noogie attacks (and possibly the 80's Turtles being a bit too giggly at times) were perhaps the only problems I had with the 80s Turtles portrayal.
 
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