TMNT Talkback "Turtles Forever" (Spoilers)

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Previously, on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: After months of trawling cyberspace, the turtles manage to restore Master Splinter—just in time for Casey and April’s wedding, a celebration involving some of the turtles’ closest friends. Before the couple can tie the knot, however, The Cyber Shredder and his forces crash the party in his latest attempt to kill the turtles. He does not succeed. Casey and April tie the knot.

Previously, on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: A mission to steal an anti-mutagen ray from the Technodrome turns complicated, as Krang uses his new body to attack the turtles! However, thanks to Donny’s new Turtle Blimp, the tides quickly turn, and the Technodrome is banished to Dimension X.

Previously, on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: After defeating the Purple Dragons gang, Splinter tells his sons about the death of Hamato Yoshi at the hands of Oroku Saki, a.k.a. The Shredder, and how it indirectly led to their creation. He then gives them their lives’ mission, which the turtles carry out: Avenge Master Yoshi: kill Oroku Saki.

Previously, in real life: On a lark, comic book enthusiasts Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird create and publish a comic about four anthropomorphic adolescent terrapin martial artists. Unexpectedly, it becomes a huge hit, kick-starting a multi-million dollar franchise now on its 25th year and changing their lives forever.

Now: Searching for an advantage over the turtles, Krang and Shredder (a.k.a. “Uncle Phil”) venture to a parallel Earth—let’s call it Earth-03—to recruit Saki’s counterpart, a familiar Utrom stranded in an icy asteroid. However they were not alone: the turtles of their Earth have also made the trip with them! Now, the two set of turtles must team-up to stop two Shredders, the Foot Clan, mutants, mobile battle fortresses, and save the very fabric of the multiverse.


Written by: Rob David, Matthew Drdek, and Lloyd Goldfine
Directed by: Roy Burdine and Lloyd Goldfine
Starring: Sisterniklaas, Abbey, Grayson, Regal, and more.
Original air-date: November 21, 2009

Synopsis:
The classic Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles from the 1980's are back with a new adventure set in the present day with the Turtles of the 21st Century! There's more Ninja Turtles than ever before – so many that we could only fit them in a movie-sized event! This ninja tag-team extraordinaire begins when the new the gigantic, evil, and terrifying Technodrome (a giant mobile battle station from the original 1988 TMNT animated series) suddenly appears in our world, carrying with it the original 1988 series Ninja Turtles. Our world's Leonardo, Raphael, Donatello and Michelangelo find themselves with a huge mystery to solve and four crazy Turtles to babysit! Can the Turtles of the past and the Turtles of the present stop annoying each other long enough to prevent all of time and space from unraveling? It's a must-see special event for the millions of Turtles fans everywhere that journeys across multiple dimensions, full of twists, turns, and more Ninja Turtles than you’ve ever seen before.

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Was anyone else thinking that letting 87 Donnie build a portal would turn out to be a bad idea? Near the end of the series, even the other Turtles dreaded when he pulled out his portal.
 
Not as it progressed. The final couple of seasons had much stronger continuity where things never went back the way they were before.

Shredder/Krang were defeated by the end of the old show. The Turtles Vs. Shredder wasn't still going on. The Technodrome was run down and pretty much abandoned in Dimension X.

This movie puts them in the thick of what the original toon was. I mean for goodness sakes, the Channel 6 building alone not being blown up is a dead give away. Its very likely the Season 3 era of the old show.



April left Channel 6 after Season 8 and became a freelance reporter. As for the banana thing, it was a joke as to how April is always getting captured. Besides, they never fought banana people in the old toon. Although they did fight killer pizzas. :p



It simply can't. The original toon had an ending. They even use Krang's Android body to defeat Lord Dregg at the end of the old show.

This is Season 3 era of the old toon Turtles. It can't be anything *but* Season 3.
 
So it seems Mirage still doesn't have the rights to use the original theme song from the 80's show.

Man, I hope Nick fully purchases the original cartoon from Fred Wolf, maybe that way the new CG series in 2012 could use the classic theme song.
 
Well, "Nightmares Recycled" was all but finalized. If I remember correctly, it's only missing SFX and animation touchups. It'll be on 4kids.tv within the next year, probably as an unlockable reward for playing games and collecting points (just like they did with the full episode animatic to "Master Fighter 2105", which is currently available). Unfortunately, all of their video streams are only available to American IP addresses. Still, all 11 cancelled episodes appear to have been written out of continuity for one reason or another.
 
Hmm... I don't think this takes place right after the 5 episode pilot of the 80s cartoon. It COULD take place just about any time after that I suppose... though they do refer to them as the 88 characters.

I'm soooooo excited. Just 7 hours away for me!
 
Well, there's "Ninja Time!", Donnie's mention of having seen time windows, the future tech in the lair, and Splinter being present. Therefore, it must have happened after the events of "Wedding Bells and Bytes". Also, 4kids has even numbered the three episodes of "Turtles Forever" as the next after the thirteen Back to the Sewer eps.

That would be a serious case of sympathy for the devil. :P

Utroms are the disembodied head like creatures that you see piloting humanoid robot exoskeletons from the stomach or flying on hovering platters in the 4kids toon. I forget if there were any in the cartoon that weren't pink (aside from Ch'rell aka Utrom Shredder, who is red), but the videogames suggest that there were other colors, like yellow and orange. Krang's classic 'toon design was inspired by Utroms, but he isn't one. He was an alien warlord, supposedly called a Krangezoid, probably beheaded and had his brain banished to Earth.

Oh, but he was! ^_^ The 2K3 counterpart to Krang was an Utrom who was heard speaking and addressed only once in "Secret Origins" Part One. Who knows if he was ever seen again. Pink Utroms all look alike to me. 2K3 Krang hates walking on his tentacles, BTW. Classic 'toon Shredder couldn't find him in his Xoogle search for "Krang" just because it wasn't spelled in the Utrom language/character set. :D
 
Even if the new show is going to be more light-hearted like the 80's toon, I wouldn't want them reuse the old theme. I'd like to hear new one that fits the new show.
 
I really liked it, personlly I don't really remember the 88's turtles, I more remember the live action 90's turtles, but it was cool to see them in modren day.
What I liked must is the part where Shredder showed all the different versions of the turtles in the Multiverse, speaking of which does anybody know what those diffrenet versions of them were called, cause I must only knew about two or three of them.
 
I live in Japan. You figure it out.

It's something I've always noticed about this show, from watching it on American TV to watching it when the Japanese dub aired on TV-Tokyo to this movie.

And how can you *not* notice the extremely distracting way the background and animation would go all pixelated in just about every single scene? It's like those early seasons of Family Guy, when they used animation studios that didn't quite know what they were doing. TMNT 2k3 does a pretty lousy job of hiding its budgetary shortcomings.

We obviously disagree here.

I found the music to just be *there*. None of the tracks stood out to me, and none of them really aided the scenes they were placed against. And the fact that they couldn't go more than two seconds without having a piece of music playing is exactly the way 4Kids scores the dubs of the Japanese cartoons they bring over.

I actually don't *need* to do anything.
 
I really enjoyed Turtles Forever, and I don't think it made fun of the old toon that much, there were a few scenes featuring the ot turtles that I thought were a bit over the top, but for the most part 4Kids did a good job with them.

I wish we could have seen the two Baxter Stockmans interact.

The ending with Eastman and Laird (yes those were their real voices), was a nice touch.



Some were made up, like the "Red Sky Ninja Scroll" Turtles, and some were just the turtles drawn by different artist throughout the years, I believe I recognized Turtles drawn by Kevin Eastman, Peter Laird, Eric Talbot, [FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans serif]Michael Zulli, Michael Dooney, Dan Berger, and Jim Lawson[/FONT].

There were also the:

Anime Turtles: two versions
Archie Comics Turtles: two pictures, one drawn by [FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans serif]Ken Mitchroney and the other by Chris Allen.
[/FONT]Toddler Turtles: from several 2k3 episodes
"Same As It Never Was" Turtles: From 2k3 show episode
Super Hero Turtles: From Mirage Comics and 2k3 episode "Reality Check"
Dreamwave Turtles: From the brief Dreamwave comic adaption of the 2k3 show, drawn by LeSean Thomas
Movie Turtles: Live Action Version
Movie Turtles: CGI Version
Paper Craft Turtles::lol:
 
Ok finally saw it all the way. Still didn't like the bashing and I also noticed they didn't fight as much 2K3's turtles which was a negative on my part but it was a fine send off. I recognized all those carnations from the universe "slideshow" except the ninja babies it brought a tear to my eye seeing all the turtles.:crying:

EDIT: Also liked Krang standing up to The Shredder for a minute had goosebumps until ya know. but I also wanted to see how the Movies incarnation would have reacted to their world's destruction.
 
You know what, I don't understand how anyone can not like TMNT III or The Next Mutation as the turtles NEVER act as silly as the 88 turtles do here.


Also this really makes me want to have a new season of TMNT 2k3 since we now have a 2k3 version of Tokka Rahzar and Hun as a Slash look-a-like. It'd be interesting if they'd ignore it or not. Not to mention the Shredder Wars would have been cool, oh well.
 
Well, the thing about 2K3 Shredder is that his arrogance overclouds logic. All the Shredders are arrogant. It's just 2K3's Shredder is more powerful (because unlike the others, he's of alien origin rather than human). They're not going back in time, just across dimensions. The one manipulating the dimensions is the one that feels he has the power, which he does.

Apparently, 2K3 Shredder began dissolving the dimensions while trying to find the Prime Source of everything, and by the time he got to that dimension, he began dissolving it slowly. It admittedly had more power than he could imagine, as it would be harder to get rid of it than it would the others.
 
Yes, he does become a nice guy--they all do--the Frank Miller narration stops by issue #2 as well. As a reflection of the Mirage turtles as a whole, the Turtles Forever versions fail spectacularly--if that had been what they were trying to do. The Mirage turtles were written to specifically resemble their issue #1 selves, not their comic book history as a whole. When considered in that light, they succeed spectacularly.
 
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