Newsgroups!! Why do ISPs allow them?

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So I'm new to newsgroups, and I just discovered that my ISP has a newgroup server (is that what it is called?). After downloading Grabit agent, and entering my ISPs news server URL, I suddenly had a huge list of porn/movie/dvds available to me in my list of newsgroups. I couldn't believe it. Why would my ISP allow news from these groups? It seems like they are encouraging illegal file sharing? Its like there is a underground black market file exchange feature built in to my monthly ISP fees.

I've read about the history of newsgroups, it seems to me they are kind of like the grandfather of RSS feeds. So why are they still around running rampant as file sharing groups?
 
ExtraSharp said:
I suddenly had a huge list of porn/movie/dvds available to me in my list of newsgroups. I couldn't believe it. Why would my ISP allow news from these groups? It seems like they are encouraging illegal file sharing? Its like there is a underground black market file exchange feature built in to my monthly ISP fees.
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'Illegal' according to... what? You? 'Legal'? Anything you can think of that may be 'legal' to you, is 'illegal' somewhere on the planet, same in reverse. If you don't like usenet, find an ISP that doesn't have a news-server, which is the majority of ISP's in the U.S. You'll find that the price is identical, running an small usenet server (or jobbing it out) is so small a cost that you won't be saving much, if anything.

Commercial quality news-servers run at least $15/month, if not more, or about double what dialup ISP's run. And most operate in the U.S., with the most 'restrictive' laws with most judges willing to burn the constitution if it'll advance rich interests like the MPAA. But ISP's and those commercial servers arn't quaking in their boots, far from it, as most of the 'laws' legality have yet to be tested against that constitution, which I suggest you read with a large attention paid to copyright issues; and the fact that virtually all the changes made (particularly in recent years) have been done with changes to the edges of that constitution, without actually AMDENDING the thing, as is required!

Eventually, we will see a Betamax Vrs. MPAA showdown, but until then the forces that have made those changes want to sit back and use fear to 'keep people in line', rather than bring it to a head.
 
Beck38 said:
'Illegal' according to... what? You? 'Legal'? Anything you can think of that may be 'legal' to you, is 'illegal' somewhere on the planet, same in reverse. If you don't like usenet, find an ISP that doesn't have a news-server, which is the majority of ISP's in the U.S. You'll find that the price is identical, running an small usenet server (or jobbing it out) is so small a cost that you won't be saving much, if anything.

Commercial quality news-servers run at least $15/month, if not more, or about double what dialup ISP's run. And most operate in the U.S., with the most 'restrictive' laws with most judges willing to burn the constitution if it'll advance rich interests like the MPAA. But ISP's and those commercial servers arn't quaking in their boots, far from it, as most of the 'laws' legality have yet to be tested against that constitution, which I suggest you read with a large attention paid to copyright issues; and the fact that virtually all the changes made (particularly in recent years) have been done with changes to the edges of that constitution, without actually AMDENDING the thing, as is required!

Eventually, we will see a Betamax Vrs. MPAA showdown, but until then the forces that have made those changes want to sit back and use fear to 'keep people in line', rather than bring it to a head.
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He only ASKED why newsgroups had this stuff on it. I don't think that question is out of line at all. Especially for a newbie. How can he know unless he asks?

The way you posted, you act like he had something against newsgroups, which is clearly NOT the case from what I have read so far.


With the RIAA and MPAA running around trying to shut down ANY site that has to do with p2p, it is only natural that some may wonder why newsgroups themselves have not been targeted.
 
Many ISP's do not carry the alt. binaries newsgroups. The minority of ISP's that do offer binaries have short retention, and poor completion. If your ISP offers Usenet, it is more common that they only carry the text groups.

Because there is some level of skill to using Usenet, and their is often monetary cost involved - the braindead masses, and kids without a way to pay have stayed away. The user base is small and dedicated.

Usenet is the cockroach of the filesharing scene. They where around long before, and will be around long after every thing else.
 
webe123 said:
He only ASKED why newsgroups had this stuff on it. I don't think that question is out of line at all. Especially for a newbie. How can he know unless he asks?

The way you posted, you act like he had something against newsgroups, which is clearly NOT the case from what I have read so far.


With the RIAA and MPAA running around trying to shut down ANY site that has to do with p2p, it is only natural that some may wonder why newsgroups themselves have not been targeted.
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Thank you. I have nothing against newsgroups. I was just asking because I wasn't aware that they even existed until recently. Once I realized how the system works, and that it was provided to me rather directly by my ISP, I had to ask why. Thanks.
 
Even usenet is becomming more mainstream, ive seen mom's downloading movies for their kids. I can imagine a novice pc user downloading a torrent but usenet is at least twice as hard to understand. Download a torrent and there you go, no need to configure your client, downloading par files, thinking about your retention etc.
Usenet is becomming a common known way of dowloading, in about a year we will see if the majority of hardcore torrent users have given up their seedboxes and got an usenet account.
 
geen said:
Even usenet is becomming more mainstream, ive seen mom's downloading movies for their kids. I can imagine a novice pc user downloading a torrent but usenet is at least twice as hard to understand. Download a torrent and there you go, no need to configure your client, downloading par files, thinking about your retention etc.
Usenet is becomming a common known way of dowloading, in about a year we will see if the majority of hardcore torrent users have given up their seedboxes and got an usenet account.
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The majority of BT users are to young to have a credit card, or too cheap to pay for Usenet.
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