What.cd and Waffles ban Azureus and Deluge
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This is good news. But honestly, I'm pretty happy with Transmission right now(rtorrent was a no go). I forgot how much I liked this tiny client. I switched to Deluge because of the superior interface. But now I'm kind of liking the minimalistic approach that Transmission goes for. The options I used on Deluge are available on Transmission. And like I said...it is extremely lightweight. Might just stick with it...
But it's good to know that if I want to switch back I'll be able to. The Deluge devs are definitely a great team.
I missed this. Thanks for the explanation ringhunter, you're the first person to give me. Probably 99% of my downloads through bittorrent is music. So I rarely find a file that's over 1GB in size. Most are anywhere from 200MB to 400MB. So maybe this is why I haven't seen any over downloading.
Im A Proud American Women
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My primary thoughts are that the Az/Vuze ban was unwarranted and cheating was an excuse for them to finally do away with the queueing system which they so hate from those clients 
The Deluge ban is warranted from the statistics I've seen myself.
Either way it doesn't affect me since I use uTorrent and rtorrent; however, I won't be updating to 2.0 until the dust settles a bit.
The Deluge ban is warranted from the statistics I've seen myself.
Either way it doesn't affect me since I use uTorrent and rtorrent; however, I won't be updating to 2.0 until the dust settles a bit.
This is a shame and I hope that the banning of Vuze does not become commonplace. I've been using it for years and would seriously consider moving trackers if I was forced to use Utorrent. Not that I have anything against it in particular but I happen to be very happy with the Vuze client. Seems i'm in the minority here!
Jennifer 8.29.09
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As far as opinions go, I have no problem with Anon being here (the more opinions the better and I have seen him help people). I remember that he used to be DPed and if it were up to me he still would be.
Why? He is a cheater and he does help other people cheat (not directly, but still). The way things are atm, he really doesn't need the cheating forum, he can handle all the questions through PMs here. I'm not saying that he does, but he could. I'm sure he's a nice guy IRL, but as far as BT goes I wouldn't trust him.
Just my 2 cents.
Why? He is a cheater and he does help other people cheat (not directly, but still). The way things are atm, he really doesn't need the cheating forum, he can handle all the questions through PMs here. I'm not saying that he does, but he could. I'm sure he's a nice guy IRL, but as far as BT goes I wouldn't trust him.
Just my 2 cents.
jonatinho1
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I haven't seen them, and I've been using Deluge for the past couple years.
Kinda sucks, now I'm going to have to open a new client for one single tracker. I don't do a whole lot of downloading from What/Waffles. But this is still going to be an annoyance when I do decide to grab something.
I can definitely understand that. Putting aside whether you agree with them or not, it may well influence other sites to almost blindly (or not so blindly, but just as readily) follow suit.
OR am I wrong in that? when you're "seeding" a torrent (in utorrent) but not actually connected to other peers, maybe it doesn't actually "clog up" your connection? If not, I see no use for queued seeding when you can simply run the much lighter utorrent and actively seed the same amount of torrents.
Yeah I would love to hear a proponent of queued seeding shed light on it. From what I've heard so far, it DOES sound brilliant and all, in that you can effectively "seed" (or to put it better, "share" or "make available") more torrents at the same time, while keeping your connection unclogged and manageable.
OR am I wrong in that? when you're "seeding" a torrent (in utorrent) but not actually connected to other peers, maybe it doesn't actually "clog up" your connection? If not, I see no use for queued seeding when you can simply run the much lighter utorrent and actively seed the same amount of torrents.
mindcandy4U
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"If no one is downloading you can't be uploading" is a completely true statement, but in practice you can't take it to a 100% working script. There are things passing under the radar, and there will always be.
You know there's a problem with the alerts when people can do things like faking 10MB/s on torrents with next to no activity and get away with it... :ermm:
Agreed. What.cd is what we call an improvement star. I've been been using it since the days you could cheat 50GB in 1 minute and not even get noticed. Then that stopped working. And as time passed, so did other stuff. Now their anti-cheat detection is great, that's true. But not perfect, no site's is.
So the official Azureus reports very slow upload speeds when the user isn't uploading anything? OK, that's a new one. Is there any proof?
We'll see what the future holds for us.
I feel like I'm talking to a wall :frusty:
So doing exactly the same you do with the difference of faking the stats that get reported to the tracker (which when BitTorrent was created had absolutely no use other than purely statistical purposes, by the way) when I risk getting disabled for having a bad ratio is hypocrisy... mmm... yeah, well, maybe.
You know there's a problem with the alerts when people can do things like faking 10MB/s on torrents with next to no activity and get away with it... :ermm:
Agreed. What.cd is what we call an improvement star. I've been been using it since the days you could cheat 50GB in 1 minute and not even get noticed. Then that stopped working. And as time passed, so did other stuff. Now their anti-cheat detection is great, that's true. But not perfect, no site's is.
So the official Azureus reports very slow upload speeds when the user isn't uploading anything? OK, that's a new one. Is there any proof?
We'll see what the future holds for us.
I feel like I'm talking to a wall :frusty:
So doing exactly the same you do with the difference of faking the stats that get reported to the tracker (which when BitTorrent was created had absolutely no use other than purely statistical purposes, by the way) when I risk getting disabled for having a bad ratio is hypocrisy... mmm... yeah, well, maybe.
*Isabella*
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I still haven't seen anyone come with any proof (real and reproduceable) that shows uTP enabled clients prefering one over the other. all of that hoopla started on bitmetv and they still haven't showed any proof of thier statements. as the news announcement on what.cd states:
since it was first implemented, it's always been possible to disable it. in the advanced options of utorrent, set the bt.transp_disposition to 5. that completely disables all of the uTP stuff in the client.
since it was first implemented, it's always been possible to disable it. in the advanced options of utorrent, set the bt.transp_disposition to 5. that completely disables all of the uTP stuff in the client.
Helping FST users to cheat through PM? You must be wanting to be made fun of. :happy:
If someone asked me for specific cheating tips here, I'd report them. As you said, this isn't the cheating forum.
Oh well.. guess I can just log in once in a while, bookmark things and buy 24h free leech to download with uTorrent and then move the torrents to my music drive directly. After my points are gone, then I have like a 60GB buffer until I hit 0.5 and go on ratio watch.
Because no way in hell will I move my around 500, mainly sorted to folders, torrents over to some client, which will most likely be banned elsewhere.
And yeah I also believe it's uTorrent fanboys annoyed over the brilliant Azureus/Vuze queuing system.
Because no way in hell will I move my around 500, mainly sorted to folders, torrents over to some client, which will most likely be banned elsewhere.
And yeah I also believe it's uTorrent fanboys annoyed over the brilliant Azureus/Vuze queuing system.
Tahoe Girl
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Oh, OK, I'll just take your word for it... :whistling
And I have to lol at the fact that you have a split internet personality; the anon at the cheating forum and the ultra moral one here. I guess everything is possible online.
And don't worry about making fun of me, I can take. Just ask your Idols, to them it's a habit. :lol:
there is actually. in utorrent. collect all .torrents in one folder.
- point the default downloading folder to your first hdd's seeding place
- copy all .torrents to a watch folder
- rehash them
- kill all non-rehashed .torrents
- restore them to another folder
- point dl folder to your second folder with your stuff
- copy all non yet rehashed torrents to watch folder again
etc etc
Of course you do exaclty the same as me. You prolly have hundreds of torrents seeding in your client atm and have been seeding them for months (not that I have hundreds seeding, but I am seeding over a 100 of them, some for more than half a year).
You know what I get my rush from as far as BT goes? Seeding something for so long that I'm the only seeder and then when someone decides to DL it, giving them all my speed (which would prolly still be shitty in your book since you hate iTS for their speeds amongst other things), but some people do appreciate that. Not that I want anything in return, but to me that's the spirit of filesharing.
I'm sure you find me pathetic, though. :01:
Smokinbiker
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This was a very poor decision made by both trackers.
They ban two vastly used clients, just as a new questionable Utorrent 2.0 is released that not all trackers agree on.
Its obvious that a decision like this should have been made after all the issues with utorrent 2.0 were cleared.
Its very clear through the announcement made that waffles has a problem with azureus. I personally think they are offended that azureus doesn't care for them, and refuses to aid them.
Whatever the case may be I think it is their site and they can ban clients as they please. Although this should have been done at a later point in time.
In addition I find what.cd anouncment to be pathetic and insulting to all azureus and deluge users. They post so little reasoning and offer no help to azureus and deluge users.
They could care less if their members leave over the favorite BT client being banned.
They ban two vastly used clients, just as a new questionable Utorrent 2.0 is released that not all trackers agree on.
Its obvious that a decision like this should have been made after all the issues with utorrent 2.0 were cleared.
Its very clear through the announcement made that waffles has a problem with azureus. I personally think they are offended that azureus doesn't care for them, and refuses to aid them.
Whatever the case may be I think it is their site and they can ban clients as they please. Although this should have been done at a later point in time.
In addition I find what.cd anouncment to be pathetic and insulting to all azureus and deluge users. They post so little reasoning and offer no help to azureus and deluge users.
They could care less if their members leave over the favorite BT client being banned.
Its almost summer!
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Sorry for the delay, my proxy often pukes when submitting forms.
How can you compare my would-be double personalities when you don't even know "the anon at the cheating forum"? One would think you can't compare things when you don't know one of them, but I guess everything is indeed possible online.
Just in case you care, I have written about legit seeding and given tips a lot of times there, too. Even once wrote a long post on how one of our users, who wanted to actually seed and even upload his own material to a specific tracker, could do so, instead of just cheating.Needless to say, due to the very nature of my forum, you won't find me speaking about why I cheat or "the spirit of P2P" as much as I do here, of course. Only when the topic springs up. Which obviously isn't as often.
How can you compare my would-be double personalities when you don't even know "the anon at the cheating forum"? One would think you can't compare things when you don't know one of them, but I guess everything is indeed possible online.
Just in case you care, I have written about legit seeding and given tips a lot of times there, too. Even once wrote a long post on how one of our users, who wanted to actually seed and even upload his own material to a specific tracker, could do so, instead of just cheating.Needless to say, due to the very nature of my forum, you won't find me speaking about why I cheat or "the spirit of P2P" as much as I do here, of course. Only when the topic springs up. Which obviously isn't as often.
The fun has already begun - I'm laughing at how fast you're to make assumptions. :lol: Oh, and that was a nice word game
This Is My Name
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I moved to Vuze once utorrent "forced" the upgrade from 1.6.1 and it comes they were having callbacks and agreements with the MPAA.
I hate to think I'll have to use another client just for what.cd. It happened the same at PT and I ended up losing my account due to inactivity.
If what anon-sbi said is true (and obviously it is), Vuze's cheating mods can spoof any other clients. So, banning its "real" client won't solve a single bit the problem. It is just creating additional problems to the tracker.
It's a pity, as Vuze is hands down the most feature rich client of the torrent scene.
I hate to think I'll have to use another client just for what.cd. It happened the same at PT and I ended up losing my account due to inactivity.
If what anon-sbi said is true (and obviously it is), Vuze's cheating mods can spoof any other clients. So, banning its "real" client won't solve a single bit the problem. It is just creating additional problems to the tracker.
It's a pity, as Vuze is hands down the most feature rich client of the torrent scene.