What.cd and Waffles ban Azureus and Deluge

Personally, I think the What and Waffles staff members are sensible enough not to fully ban a client just because its queue system makes seeding difficult at times. What.cd even has a mini-tutorial on how to "fix" those problems on their forums.

The Deluge ban is warranted from the statistics I've seen myself.

Can you post of PM me those stats? I'd be interested to check them out. :)
 
He is talking about extreme mod but go peak into his site and you'll see them crying about losing shu mod.

You need an update :lol: In the end it wasn't true that Shu would stop coding new versions, and even if it had been that wouldn't have meant much ;)
 
I'll be waiting for ca_aok's rutorrent setup guide.
I'm still very angry with this decision. It actually means no one can detect those Vuze mods if used correctly. It's a declaration of lost war.
They may say whatever they want, but this is the real interpretation.

I'm really angry with this decision and for potentially having influence on other site's decisions to ban Vuze too.

What a load of crap.
 
Well apparently for the few that have their files organized across categorized folders, spanning many hard drives, etc. etc. it could be a giant pain in the ass for them.

I'm not trying to defend what what and waffles did (I disagree with it the client prohibiting as well) anyone who had so many categorized folders or had files scattered across multiple hard drives had it coming. They already spent the huge amount of effort required for such organization/redirecting of download directories in their clients and should've been aware of the risk/rewards of doing such a thing, in my opinion.

I don't get it am I doing something wrong categorizing my shares in different folders and drives and seeding them for ever? And we are not talking about 0day stuff but for music, movies collection. And it's really easy to do it with a good client like vuze is. I guess it's not l33t enough for them and encourage their user to have 1 drive and 1 dir for all the sharing files. Preferably in a seedbox. They are promoting the use of a client that no other site think is safe with many reported connection problems.
A stat about the number of files not seeded anymore in the trackers a month after their decision would be interesting. If the other trackers don't follow
 
oh, hijacked thread, nice :)
on the new topic i could say that cheaters themselves aren't the only guys to blame in what they're doing. the whole ratio system is screwed so it encourage cheating, seedbox buffering with hit'n'running and other strange things... but first of all, it is the way in which the announce between client and tracker works that make relatively comfort space for all this cheating business. how much real nasty cheating can be done when there is one seeder and one leecher except for fake announcing of the transfer to rise stats?... in perfect world imo, client has to report to server transferred amount for every peer, of course it would meant more cpu load for the tracker but i'm sure there could be some workarounds to make this work okay...
 
You wanna know my thoughts?

It's fucking cheaters like YOU who use modified Azureus versions who are responsible for this.

Thousands of honest and good Azureus users like myself have to suffer now, because you and your cheating friends in your shitty forum ruin it for all.

There used to be a time when known cheaters were banned from FST. Nowadays they can happily spam the forum.

You are a plague for the private tracker scene. You're not only a cheater yourself but also teach people how to do it.

I can't use my favourite client on the best music trackers now because cheaters like YOU exploit open source software.
well said, though i think your being a little too nice
bittorrent relies on sharing, without it, there would be no bittorrent, period. retards like above are the scum that stopped me posting here over the past year or 2. FST has a bad name because of its policy to allow traders, but even worse now, cheaters.
shit sticks, and it stinks.
 
oh, another thing about torrent clients and cheating. utorrent can easily make people cheat with dual announcing... when adding manually, it asks user if he wants to add a new tracker and blabla, but when torrent is added automatically from the watch folder - he could care less. i already caught myself once with dual reporting to what/waffles on active torrent, and when seeding about thousand of torrents at each of them, i found about .5% of torrents to be the same at both sites.... so utorrent just like other clients banned at those sites can help with submitting wrong stats
 
The ironic thing is I didn't have any clue that there was a cheating forum associated with the initials sbi until polarbear , the very person so stridently denouncing anon, made me aware of it in another thread.
So maybe I should ban polarbear?:idunno:

Haha, I didn't know until Anon himself said something along the lines of "Google my name, however it's not the kind of forum you'd want to be caught browsing". Didn't know that his initials meant anything, either.
 
Just to point out anon isn't 'just' a cheater. He codes cheating clients and mods/runs a cheating board. Comparing anon to the average cheater is like comparing The coders and sysops of a tracker with its members.
 
Ignorance is bliss? :P

its not ignorance, is that for many of here just fit the meme: "internet serious business".
Ppl takes this too serious, for me is just a way to get files. Before was FTP, emule, kazaa. In the future will be another one.
But no, today private tracker become money, every where is donate, double up, etc. Tracker with 3000 user with closed registrations... for what? For me private tracker is a ways to get higher speedy and fast content, but this is being twisted.
 
You don't need experience to avoid cheating on that kind of torrents, just common sense.



Not to mention the higher bandwidth usage. But what you're talking about is a subset of the "if no one is downloading, you can't be uploading" argument, something which is actually true but has yet to be taken to the form of anti-cheating scripts in a 100% effective way, which is impossible.

Anyway, I think that if you were a tracker admin and the amount of cheating on your site grew to such proportions, you should lower the river (i.e. check what's the real reason for it, and how you can fix that) instead of raising the bridge (coding every time tighter scripts).
well not quite true
thats the point in what.cd banning the old version of deluge and azureus.
their cheat scripts match the downloaded amounts with uploaded amounts, and find discrepancies.

so if somebody cheats and reports upload that isn't evenly reported as download within the swarm, it will trigger alerts and the swarm will be investigated.

this is actually already done fairly efficiently on what, but deluges habit of over downloading, and azureus habit of reporting very low upload speeds when not seeding has been creating a large amount of false positives within this type of cheat detection.

there will always be factors that cause upload/download amounts to never match perfect, like a client crash before an announce, but thats where what.cd's scripts become so impressive. they detect uploading when the torrent file hasn't been snatched. they detect repetative incomplete downloads when the torrent file has been snatched. they also detect repetative missed announcements(stops, scrapes, client exits, torrent completed, etc.).

the banning of azureus isn't simply because its ease of cheat mods. dont you think the what staff know it has spoof mods that let it mascaraed as another client. the ban is more because of the low, false upload amounts being reported to the tracker, causing false positives in the cheat scripts.

it'll be interesting to see what methods you come up with next. personally i find it much easier to do what the majority of fair users do and do nothing, just leave my client open and let it seed. instead of spending hours upon hours trying to work my way round anti-cheat scripts, and creating new accounts after being banned.
 
Utorrent has just got more powerful by this decision troubling times ahead when one client has this much power.
Means they can do what they want and you can do fuck all about it.
Champagne bottles have been open at UT
 
I've put second chance between " for a reason.

The thing is, cheaters usually get banned around here. I'm just curious why some of them deserve special treatment.

Not that i care much anyways.
 
I'll be waiting for ca_aok's rutorrent setup guide.
I'll be sure to stick it in the BT guides forum here when it's done :)

As for queueing, can someone explain to me why you feel it's necessary? People always seem to talk about this feature as if it's the best thing since sliced bread, whereas in reality I don't see how it's doing anything great for you or your ratio.
 
well said, though i think your being a little too nice
bittorrent relies on sharing, without it, there would be no bittorrent, period. retards like above are the scum that stopped me posting here over the past year or 2. FST has a bad name because of its policy to allow traders, but even worse now, cheaters.
shit sticks, and it stinks.

The way I see it , anon has been nothing short of resourceful(technically) and also helped a lot of members here. I don't recall seeing any posts of his which encouraged fsters to cheat. As far as I'm concerned he can do what he likes in his private/professional life as long as it causes no harm to fsters. Heck I don't even know the guy, just judging from his posts.
More power to you anon,keep posting mate.:)

I love the way FST doesn't judge its members by their reputation on a particular torrent site or another forum. I feel privileged and proud to be a part of FST because of the unbiased treatment meted out to members. People would never express their views openly without fear if it wasn't for the free spirited nature of FST.
 
I guess I only read the sentence where you didn't. :unsure:

The thing is, cheaters usually get banned around here.

Looking at the dunce corner it'd appear most are DPed instead. As a matter of fact Cabalo disabled my privileges before I even got them, shortly after I made my first post. :lol:
 
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