Underage Nudity Being Shared On The Gnutella Network - Porn and Laws

Thanks for the advice. Thing is though its a family computer, so would they find out if i erased free space and defragged?
Also the filth that was downloaded wasn't shared, i have never shared any files. Does that make a difference?
I dream of a career of busting people like pedophiles in the police, so to think i could be labeled as one is driving me crazy.
 
pulease take the time to read my last post, where I quoted your words again...

you stated (and I again quote YOU) "Unless I'm wrong a cop with a IP address one can go to Dell or whoever and find out who the machine is registered with for warranty purposes."

YOU said the law can to to "Dell or whoever......."

I said an IP addy is like an address....

you seem to be having some problems with what's up and down today...been drinking?
 
If you do see it report it if your not sure of the ages don't download it and if you did delete immediately that way your sure not to get caught with it.
 
Just a note to people deleting stuff that they download accidentally.

Personally I would remove the hard drive, get the largest hammer I could find break it open and destroy the disks, then throw them into the nearest, biggest, deepest ocean/lake I could find. Only then I would sleep just a little better at night.
I hope I have not trivialized the subject with the above comment but I feel that is the length you have to go to.

This stuff destroyes your mind with worry. Murderers get shown more pity -compassion than a person caught with this stuff for some strange reason, no matter how they aquired it, not that I say its necessarily right but thats the tragedy of it, if you are found to have it or you may not even know its there you are doomed if caught. There will be innocent people of all ages out there now not knowing it may be lurking on their computer in some form or other. It may be hard to differentiate between these people so law eforcement probably think sod it, do them all best safe than sorry. Do they let people off if they can tell it was an accidental download? or do you get done regardless. I cant bear the thought of an person accidentally downloading it and jailed for it, terrible.

I dont know if i could trust an eraser to do it properly. Systems seem capable of squirreling stuff away into the depths of computers that no normal person or erasers may normally find.

well thats my garbled waffle on the subject, after my similar experiances as that of many other people in this forum, this is only limewire what of the many people using other file share applications, or am I just overeacting.

Internet Watch Foundation (IWF), combating child abuse images and criminal material online

http://www.ic3.gov/
 
I don't think you'd be immune to the risk by practicing cautious dwnloading. This is why, after learning about this risk, I don't download files off of limewire anymore. Mainly I just go on to browse what other people have. Honestly, if you take a screenshot of the file names that pop up when you type in some words, it shows the obvious implied content.

I don't really see why law enforcement goes after purposeful downloads either, it's data, go after the people making the stuff.
 
OK... Normally I try to avoid this thread, but...

First, have you folks noticed how many people come in here... I mean HERE, only to this thread, and post 2-3 times and then depart ?
What's that all about ?

re: seeyavo ... All these 'deleted' posts ?
Hi, Arne ! Perhaps you have been trying to advise this person via PMs ?
I am certainly not going to quote anything from those deleted posts but the point of concern is clear...

I should also state that I have not read every single post in this ever-growing thread, but there does seem to be a recurrent theme regarding

cleaning data storage devices.

There have been many discussions, arguments and even 'fights' here in GF regarding this topic.
Some members have made efforts to educate others as to the simple and irrefutable realities about data removal.
Most people seem to be unable to either understand and/or believe the facts about data retention in storage media.

The simple truth is that it is an absolute impossibilty to delete data to such an extent that it cannot be recovered.
(The ONLY exception to this is to perform an absolute physical destruction of the storage media. This, of course, is not a form of 'deletion'... It is physical destruction... Physical destruction to the extent that the discs are destroyed, practically to ashes. I am not being dramatic here.)

There exists no process and/or device that will 'securely delete' data from any existing data storage media.

There has been much confusion as to various claims, primarily for commercial gain, made by numerous application vendors as to the efficacy of this or that 'Cleaning Program' and/or variations on the 'Bulk-Eraser' DeGaussing devices.
Not one single claim from ANY of them is true.

You can place an electro-magnet, used normally for collecting huge pieces of ferrous material in scrap-yards, directly over an HDD for hours upon hours... Nada... Sure, your computer may not be able to read the data but there are many individuals who would be able to treat it as almost a normal working drive.
They work inside one room that costs more than many mansions.
I hear many say, "Yes, but these processes cost a fortune and there is no way that little me and whatever I would prefer to have hidden is going to be worth the investigation charges."
Untrue.
Yes, most magnetic storage material that has been severely damaged by fire or corrosive elements can be very time consuming and expensive to recover. But, it is incredible just how much can be recovered with time and labour. True, these really serious recovery jobs are mainly done by only one company in Germany, normally for insurance claim purposes or corporate databases, and it costs large amounts of money.
But, for 'you little folks' there are normally several recovery service companies competing for business in most mid-size to large cities.
In other words, "No big deal."

You can run any one of the many, many applications available with a DOD 5220.22M scan (As many times as you like).
So-Called NSA multi-pass...
Or, Gutmann, 10,000 passes ! Hey, Why Not ?
The above are just a few of the more common and popular buzz-word type processes that are freely available.
Nada.

Defragmentation only increase the probability that a 'deleted' file will be overwritten by a later file sooner rather than randomly later.
So what ?
The old data is still there, even after an overwrite... After 1,000 overwrites !
10,000 !

System Erasers ?
"Replace All Free Space With Zeroes"
Sounds like the magic bullet, eh ?
It's nonsense and in no way makes ANY historical data unrecoverable.


So, as this thread has, to date, been remarkably well 'controlled', may I suggest that the actual original intent of this thread be pursued and that there be no more time, effort and/or polemics wasted on the so-called pros and cons of data destruction ?

If you have stored data, of whatever nature, that you wish to be made unavailable to anyone then your only choice is the total destruction of the storage media and ALL of its storage material components.
This does NOT mean throwing it in water or driving over it with a car or a steamroller or whatever.
It means the physical, i.e. mechanical destruction of the discs followed by fire. Yes, even fragments of 'mechanically destroyed' discs can be used for data recovery.


btw... Be sure to check out the on-going stats regarding the internet...
What are the primary commercial enterprises 'benefiting' from the internet ?

On-Line Gambling

followed by

Porn


"What's new, daddie ?"
 
Strewth !



So what ?
NOT true.
It's all just false marketing of ineffectual products.
(See numerous references, above.)



Correct.
It IS the reality.



Incorrect.
If desired, by whatever 'powers-that-be', the probability is extremely great that the metals (alloys) and plastics can be defined to the actual producing factory and batch code(s).



A moment of recent personal history...

3 weeks ago I was doing some 'cleaning lady' stuff on some of my older external HDDs... One of them was an old Seagate IDE '160GB' drive...

Said drive has been 'cleaned' with WindowWasher 5 and 6 more times than I could count... well, at least 3 times per day, every day, while it was 'active'. Also zapped with C r a pCleaner - the old name for Piriform's CCleaner of today....It had been Diskeeper defragmented 100s of times, including changing the MFT size at least 10 times...
While I had it up, I thought, "Hey, let's see what the latest version of Piriform's Recuva 'finds'..."

Magic ! I recovered, clean and complete, a 1.32GB .avi file that some fool (no names can be divulged for legal reasons - but it was ursula !!!) had deleted in error. Me happy to have it back as it was a rare one... And mega-Tas to Piriform !
Not only was the .avi fie recovered, but it was recovered from a disc that had had all of the above mentioned 'cleaning' and 'sorting' AND had been severely abused by filling it to total capacity, many times... (DOH !)

This is real.


Forget any ideas about Recycle Bin being the 'culprit' and accept the reality that no matter what you do, no matter what marketing cons you fall for, the stuff is still there and EASILY recoverable.

Now, about some of the comments that have been made regarding the intentions behind some of the 'warning' posts here about the impossibility of actually deleting data...

I cannot speak for the others, except perhaps for Peerless, but my intentions (and I am certain the motives are the same for Peerless) have NOT been to frighten people... ONLY to educate them regarding the hard-a$$ real-world reality of 'deleting'.
And, to attempt to help people avoid wasting money and considerable amounts of time attempting the impossible, i.e. 'secure deletions'.

Last, AGAIN, I must repeat that Limewire or Phex or BearShare or Frostwire or Shareaza or Gnucleus or any of the Torrent apps have absolutely nothing to do with the content distributed by the users of said 'clients'.

If it wouldn't cause what I am sure would be a sh
 
The obvious illiteracy should have tipped you off that the image is an amateurish
bluff and that the perpetrators have no connection to law enforcement. The person
who chose to use it as an avatar probably gets the joke.
 
Should I just make the argument up then? Oh I get it. I should stop argueing against your "facts". I thought you were saying I should stop using facts in my arguments. Silly me.

That technology you're talking about can, with luck, pull up a partial file thats been written over once or perhaps twice. The CIA may fire a guy over something like that but law enforcement will need a lot more.


You guys should be upfront with people coming here scared out of their wits. They downloaded and erased a picture of a 3 year old kid and now think the cops are coming down the street any second now.

Tell them to erase it and move on with their life.
 
And, to add to arne_bab's info >

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/lounge/67013-gowers-report-uk-government-report-copyright-law-changes.html
 
No. It's in the tools right beside the one to check the disk for errors. All it does is reassemble
scattered file sectors so each one is quick and easy to read or copy. They tend to get scattered a
bit in normal operations, and defragmenting them will restore disk performance.

A side benefit is that most or all of the empty sectors that might have held remnants of deleted
files are overwritten with other files during the defrag.
 
Just a quick note to boston 1 about files that won't delete, I found that the best one around for doing this is DelinvFile - Utility for Deleting Invalid Files and Folders
Hasn't failed me yet !!
Newbee2
 
why is it that people who try to educate others as to the true nature of what they are doing are considered as trying to ''scare people away from P2P''?????????????

and really, AW, what is your great concern about people using p2p??????? sure, its great for the network and such, but is there some reason you constantly promote the use of such an insecure way of transferring data?

let's take the concept of someone downloading a highly illegal file by mistake...yep, it happens...and the most insidious way it can happen is if you, for example, download a file named 'dscn-1121'....or so it appears in your search result/browse host....if one had taken the time to expand the results (hitting that little +) one might have found that it had another widely used title...but skipping that thought process, you have mistakenly downed a nasty picture of a young child...even if you don't have sharing enabled and immediately remove the file, you will still show up as a search result on another's search for a while!!!!!!! and that may be all that the law needs to start work against you!

if you want some 'education' as to how the law works when it comes to protecting children pay close attention to what going on in El Dorado right this moment....maybe watch a few of those Dateline shows about catching predators....etc, etc, etc...basically take your head out of that hole in the ground and pay attention to what is actually happening across the world right now!....sure, the lawmakers apparently don't regard CP as a big thing, but there is certainly a rather large grass roots campaign being waged against the practice, let me assure you!..and many law enforcers don't give a big flip about the lawmakers anyways, as there are quite a few good laws already on the books....

what really irks me is that the penalties for having a few CP images on a HDD are often harsher than if the offender had actually had physical contact with the child....sheeshus....like life in prison on Arizona for a very small number of files, while a relative who actually rapes a child gets off with a much shorter sentence....


so you go right ahead with your way of thinking AW, but you are seriously uneducated as to what is going on in the world...

and really, what matters here is giving proper information to those who ask for it...how they use it is up to them....

most times the destruction of a HDD is not needed, but if it makes the person who does it happy, then what is the problem???...they are certainly 'safer' than having kept using it...do you argue that logic also???
 
In NY state the cops,FBI or who ever it is that catches these sickos..they say that they spend most of there time busting the people that are creating and uploading the child porn, of course if they happen to come across that you have child pornograhy on your PC they may bust you,

a couple times I have accidentially downloaded this crap that had a mis-labled file name...just to be safe I formated my drive..the full slow format, a quick format wont totally erase it. A defrag wont erase it if you already do it on a regular basis as if your drive is not fragmented there are not many files it has to move, and no moved files means no erases files.

There should be a way for us to report the people that have the underage stuff to the cops...anyone know of a way to do that?
 
as a note...I freely admit to wanting to instill a bit of fear....hopefully it will make the person be a bit more careful in the future...

in the big picture Urs has understood my motivations correctly...and she definitely has a grip on the reality of the world, both present and past....not many people have taken the time to have paid attention to the real history of mankind...
 
You can and -will- be busted if you have illegal materials downloading and if you share out partials (which -will- happen). I had recently encountered the exact scenarios described here - legitimate downloading, searching for adult images, and finding that I had queued and downloaded KP. The items were deleted, but I didn't completely follow procedure. It'd just happened so many times I just see it and delete it. It doesn't really phase me anymore and I've been P2P sharing for years.

Three months ago, Feds showed up at my work, and at my house with a search and seizure warrant. They took five computers, 600 cds and dvds, and said "have a nice day, we'll be in touch."

I'm currently without a lawyer on retainer because it's federal and costs $10-15,000 for one if you haven't been charged yet. They can spend the next 285 days toying around with my stuff before deciding to charge me. I haven't slept more than a couple hours a night for three months because I know "how it looks". The law does not care what your intent was. They don't care about how the internet works. They only care that there was ever illegal porn on your computer.

I will probably go away for the Federal minimum sentence of 5 years, if not longer. It's taken me a long time to come to terms with the fact that I will not see justice in this case because the law is ignorant.

This is just to let you all know, be VERY careful. It might be your door they come knocking on next.
 
Thank you mr. Walkhouse for your fast and informative response I got a letter from my university informing me that Universal or some studio was able to d/l the movie halfbaked of my pc which i didn't know I was even sharing so they took my internet away (on roomates pc) and i've been a nervous wreck ever since. I will do as you suggested and hopefully this will all blow over.
 
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