Your Music "Range"

I guess if it's not catchy to you it's not catchy to anyone.
But I think that it's catchy. So do thousanRAB of other people.
The only plausible explanation is that you are right and the
rest of us don't exist.
 
I like a little bit of every genre. The few genres that I don't like too much I can atleast appreciate it and tolerate a few of the artists within those genres. I'm not going to list off all the genres I listen to like someone else so I can prove that I listen to a wider range than everyone on the board....that's just lame.
 
Yeah I am getting out of this conversation well I can because its just pointless next think will start talking about how much prince is not a creative genies
 
No I'm not saything that. I'm not saying just because a record is made in the 80's its consider "good music" or timeless lol because not ALL of old skool stuff is good but MAJORITY is alot better than the crap out now, well at least mainstream. We can talk about this ALL day long man... MJ is TIMELESS whether you accept it or not. People are still listening to his recorRAB, just like the Beatles. His recorRAB don't have an era on it either, thats why its STILL playing and of course its good music. As far as the Quincy Jones ish you keep on bringing up, I dunno any other way to say it because I've said is so many times. This is what you need to do, go to your C.D collection because I know you have at least one MJ C.D or buy it, borrow whatever.... and look at the the C.D booklets to OTW, Thriller, BAD and look at the lyrics. Then look under the lyrics you'll see the songwriters, producers, arrangers and you'll see Michael Jackson then maybe you'll get off his nut with this "Q deserves all the credit" crap, better yet look it up on the internet. The rest of MJ albums are real good to, why are u just making it seem like the only albums that MJ did that are good were the ones with Q. I could maybe maybe see you making a statement like that if you exactly listened to ALL his albums but you haven't thats why I don't get all this judemental crap your doin. Those are not the only three albums people talk about when it comes down to MJ. Maybe the people around YOU that you hear that most from say that. It doesn't mean everybody feels that way. So stop thinking for everybody else. "But I'm willing to bet" you don't even know what ur talking about bro or the facts so why are you making an assessment. Until you listen to ALL his albums and until you exactly look at the songwriters, arrangers, producers to ALL his songs then come at me again but for now what ur saying don't make no kind of sence.

Nice at the end... real mature. This is a music forum, right? Why bring up irrelavent bull that doesn't matter. I really could run my mouth all day long about that subject but it has nothing to do with this forum or convo, why bring it up? Its useless and it doesn't prove anything.




What I've realized about you and a couple of other people on here is that. You don't respect other people's music taste or what other people choose to listen to. For that matter, you don't respect peoples opinions period. If they don't listen to the same things you listen to then they have bad music taste. If they don't dislike the musicians/ artists you dislike then they have a problem. Just because its something you don't prefer doesn't mean the person has bad music taste or the music is bad. It just doesn't appeal to you. Who the crap are you to tell anyone to learn something about music, some random chick can say the say same thing to you, its really immature
Why don't you go and learn something about music and BROADEN ur taste Mcartney. I can see if this was a long convo about Justin Tiraberlake but its about Michael Jackson? I am so durabfounded with all the hatin towarRAB MJ when he is a really good artist, one of the greatest this world as ever seen.

You have some people who think the Beatles are irrelavant and overrated. Which we all know is bologni but still its somebodys ignorant opinion just like in this case. The Beatles were on the high top at there peak and mainstream. So there crap? There music isn't good because it was popularized? What you have to realized is this can go both ways not just with MJ, Beatles whatever. With anybody it doesn't matter. Anybody can argue so and so is overrated or this and that. Who the flook cares if so and so is mainstream. Just because its mainstream or popular doesn't necessarily make it bad music.

When I said people don't care about good music anymore I was referring to the mainstream crap and how people exactly buy it. Of course the underground stuff you have to dig out under a rug is good. There is good music out there you have to find it. You really need to work on just accepting peoples opinions even though it may not be something u agree on. I don't agree with anything you've said so far regarding MJ, it doesn't bother me, I could really give a .... about what you think or anybody else on here thinks but I respect ur opinion, thats you.. you need to learn to accept other people's because its not like you can change peoples views well at least mines, cause you can't.





So Stevie, Marvin, Tina Turner, Temptations and oh yea Michael Jackson... all of a sudden the 80's are crappy because I like MJ.. whatever. You keep saying probably this or that..... you need to stop assuming things. You don't know what somebody may choose to listen to because your not them. You have people who are like that yes, who just listen to the radio and they think thats the only music out there because there not expose to other music. Thats not to say that all the music playing on the radio is crap but right NOW hell yes during the 80's I can't say because I wasn't born lol but I know MJ was definitly on the radio so that being no not all of it was crap. Brittany Spears/ Backstreet those are acts that come and go and really believe it or not still of "now" .. Timeless music is the kind of music still going to be playing 30-50 years from now. For example, The Jackson 5, they had that no. hit "I want you back" back in 1969 that song is STILL playing and getting airplay on radio stations and here we are in 2007. Thats timeless music.
 
I'm willing to give him credit for Off The Wall which is a rather good album if i'm in the mood for simplistic pop music.

Other than that had Jackson never existed I doubt my record collection would be poorer for it , whatever his influence.
 
Crowquill is a mod (just a little warning) and he can come back to anything you say with a 2 page essay. so i suggest giving up while you still have your dignity...
 
I like to rock my body and bring the sexy back just as much as the next guy but that doesn't mean I think he's credible artist.
 
LOL...ah whatever... man I never said you didn't give him credit all I said was, don't tell me what criticism is, I know what it is. I know MJ isn't picture perfect and I have stated that. I know that lol I know that really no matter how good an artist is, there is always room for improvement in certain areas. Some of you people on here are really underrating MJ thats why I'm just reacting the way I am to some of these comments because I know thats not tru and I'm pretty sure alot of other people feel the same way here to but yes, MJ isn't a golden calf but his not crap under a rug either.

People don't listen to MJ properly because it is tru. MJ has been through ish, with cases, rumors, trial etc for years now. ALL kinRAB of crap and people get sucked into that ish and when they listen to his music, their not really listening because their so busy trying to judge a person they don't even know squat about instead of judging the music. I just really wish people would seperate his private life from his music. The two don't mix no matter who the artist is. People just need to focus on the music and enjoy his talents.

My thing with "peeps should listen to all of MJ's music". Like you said you really don't have to listen to every SINGLE song an artist has made to criticise. The only reason why I said that is because in MJ's case Quincy Jones produced BAD, OTW,Thriller and helped out with those three main projects. Those albums Q produced were the only ones Crow mentioned he said he listened to supposely but I doubt it.The OTHER albums was all MJ, produced, arranged, composed etc. So in this case it still stanRAB but you can feel any kind of way you want or say whatever. You don't have to listen to Mike. I really could give a... thats just you.
 
You've never stated that. The only thing you said along those lines was that all 80's music is not all good which we both agreed on. Its good that you finally said something that was real and tru




You don't need to skool me on what criticism is. Whats goin down here is ignorant childish criticism thats backed up with no intelligent reasons and biased explanations. How can you honestly unbiasely criticise something when you already have your mind made up? How can you criticise something when ur not lol really listening to the lyrics and paying attention to whats being said? No... your so busying trying to figure out a lame a$$ reason out of air as to why the song/ lyrics suck when you haven't even sat down and really listened to it.



There you go assuming ish again but where is that person that feels the same way? You never answered my question and your not proving ur point. How did those lyrics suck? Plse explain. All ur saying is that there bad lyrics. I'm pretty sure there are people on here feeling the lyrics to(I mean they are good lyrics). The lyrics don't appeal to YOU once again. Bro it can go both ways.



I see ur taste and I see why u feel the way you do. I'm just saying be a lil accepting of other good music. Open your mind up and stop being so opionated. You don't never have to accept garbage. I mean ultimately its all up to the person and how they feel about a song. I'm not sucking up to ur a$$ lol real talk ... Nice lyrics.



Well then don't ask a question like he doesn't play instruments when you looked up for yourself that he does. Why do u need to know what instruments his played to prove his played instruments? Just because it doesn't say doesn't mean he doesn't. That all depenRAB on the source but it is tru but since u care so much. He plays the piano, drums, guitar etc. He played the drum and guitar for his song "Morphine". He played Rhythm Guitar on his song "Give In To Me" along side Slash. Alot of you people here underestimate MJ's talents and abilities because you don't listen to his music. Your just judging it off of lol "credible sources" and what YOU want to believe. You need to buy his music and look at the booklets. Look at the producer, arranger, composer section and you'll see that Michael Jackson producers, arranges, composes,writes his own ish or just look it up on the internet.
 
Those are excellent lyrics I bet if somebody like Paul or Lennon wrote it you would be on your hanRAB and knees raving about it.
I can post up 50 million MJ lyrics and you wouldn't like it because YOUR NOT EXACTLY LISTENING TO THE WORRAB. Your so concerned about picking out all the negative things or in your mind trying to find negative things to say instead of exactly appreciating whats in front of you.
Why don't you open your ears and be accepting. Since you already formed a ridiculous opinion about MJ based on "credible sources" your not really being open minded even if the lyrics or song is good. Your very opinionated and critical about durab ish and whats not good enough to YOU. Look at the vid and listen to the message thats the man is saying in the song and plse give me an intelligent, mature reason as to why the lyrics in the song are wack. Man you on somethin, ur full of yourself and ur opionated. Its hard to tell you anything because YOU think you know everything when u don't know ish. Why don't you post up some "good" lyrics since you get to decide what are good lyrics, whats bad music whats this and that....
Bro now... earlier you wrote that you found MJ plays instruments, why are you asking me that question again when you looked up the info for yourself? MJ plays "some" instruments but his really an entertainer.
 
lol Not trying to force you to listen to MJ, Frankly don't care if you ever do or dont, ur missing out though. My thing is just don't hate on and belittle Mike because MJ is tight. Yes people can argue that MJ albums suck those PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE EXACTLY LISTENED TO ALL HIS ALBUMS TO MAKE SUCH AN ARGUEMENT. How you going to say so and so sucks, when you haven't even listened to the album for yourself to make an opinion? :rofl: thats what your doing. You making all these arguements and you haven't listened to all his albums, you don't know what songs MJ's written and exactly produced and arranged himself. You keep on bringing up Q because you don't know ish your just assuming what YOU want to think and what YOU want to believe.






Bam right there.... see you find info which is good but you don't want to accept it... once again thats you. It doesn't change reality and what it really is. MJ plays instruments and writes hundreRAB and hundreRAB of songs. It takes him along time to narrow it down thats why he releases albums 4-5 years apart because he wants to choose to the right tracks. LOL ah... no Mike didn't play no instruments in the J5. So now your saying that his in the same category of 50 cent and JLO :rofl::rofl::rofl: man you smoking some mad weed this convo is ridiculous its to funny lol We have a child prodigy dude been performing since he was 5 years old sold alot recorRAB with his bros and won alot of awarRAB. Went solo conquered the music industry surpasses elvis, beatles etc sold ALOT more recorRAB, won alot more awarRAB and you have the nerve to say his a 50 cent , JLo.. dude lay off whatever ur on because its stupid and ridiculous. If you don't prefer the man's music thats fine, I respect ur opinion but don't be making some outlandish crap comments, its stupid.






I don't understand you and how you come up with ur conclusions and how you make ur opinions. Now when I said don't mix apples and oranges I meant don't mix crap and talent together. You brought up paris hilton, don't know why.. but you brought her up to make a durab comparision. I mentioned Prince last time because his sound is diverse like how MJ diverse's his music to. I said that to make a point earlier. Once again you mix apples and oranges again. For the last stinkin time PRINCE AND MJ ARE TWO DIFFERENT ARTISTS. 2 COMPLETLY DIFFERENT ARTISTS. How in the world are you going to compare to artists that have nothin common besides from the fact, they were both influenced by James Brown and both legenRAB? How can you say another artist is a better musician when the other artist doesn't really play instruments? How can you make such an comparion when one doesn't do the other it doesn't make sence. I could see maybe if you said who is the better musician. Jimi Hendrix or Prince? Okay these are two artists that are MUSICIANS. MJ and Prince are NOT. MJ does play "some instruments" but MJ is an entertainer. Yes out of the two Prince is the better "musician".
.... It is good lyrics.. what is he talking about in the song?, matter of fact think about it. You want to examine songs now? and once again you need to exactly listen to ALL of MJ albums and not the main songs you think you know.




Never said MTV invented music videos and I never said MJ "invented" videos with a storyline and art and please correct me if I'm wrong. What I meant was his videos exactly are creative and innovative. You were comparing his viRAB to the crappy viRAB they make now, don't know why but you did. You have people now trying to copy the essence MJ had in his videos that can NEVER be re- done because its already been done. Thats the problem now with music nobody can't be innovative there just copying off of one another and of course that goes for the music viRAB to.




lol I see ur point base on how YOU feel. Whether the artists he influenced are crappy are not he still was influential. Whether the artists he influenced were crap or not. Janet and Boys II men are good. I wouldn't put them in the same category as like Stevie, Marvin, MJ etc but they are good. All the female acts model after her and there hasn't been a foreal r&b soul band like Boys II men since the 90's for (new skool). I feel you though... still even if some of the artists he influenced were crap he still was influential it doesn't matter if the artists are irrelavant. What that got to do with him? That has nothing to do with HIS talents and abilities just because an artist he influences sucks.
 
and how exactly is it force? Anybody can say certain lyrics were forced. It was a deep topic and the lyrics were deep to. It was meaningful. It wasn't no one two step "I'm going to try to sing about something real", everything he said was real and on point.



Forced rhyming? cliched imagery? thats the same tired bull you said last time. Whats ur point? Cause I don't see it. It was a real good song and the lyrics were real good. Once again there is always going to be someone better than you. There are alot of other good song writers but MJ IS good to. Not ALL songwriters are suppose to write the same way. Forced rhyming? lol who the flook cares about a damn rhythm what the man said in the LYRICS was tru and it hit home. Those were tight lyrics.






Now you don't have to listened to every single song but bro you have to listen to more than one album. So you can ultimately conclude that all MJ songs are going to sound just like ALL the songs on that ONE album? You "claimed" you listened to OTW,BAD,Thriller but they were produced by Q the rest of MJ's music was all him so the ish is going to be different.




Bro I know this already, I KNOW THIS ALREADY. This is why music sucks now because this is whats happening now with most of the artists out today. Just because you sell 54 million don't mean your album was good. How many recorRAB you sell isn't a mirror of the exactly quality of the music. Sells doesn't mean nothing for the music industry today BUT if were talking about an artist like Michael Jackson it means alot. MJ deserves everything his achieved because his music is good. Once again I'm not trying to make him seem perfect but he is successful because his talented and his music is good.



Basically JUST the ones Q produced and helped out with


Then stop whining that MJ can't play music then
 
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