Woman calls police. They brutalize and arrest her.

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I think you misattributed a quote to gonzomax that should have been Sage Rat's.

Sage Rat, I remember reading somewhere that some of the reduction in fatalities from gun shot wounds was also due to improve trauma techniques and outcomes.
 
I followed the link, but I still very confused. What did she do to get tased? Did she do anything besides calling the cops for help?

I believe this happened and that the cops were some sadistic fucks, and yet I don't think I have all the relevant information.
 
alice_in_wonderland said:
Even if you accept all of the above is true - what, at all, does that have to do with the women in the OP who was unarmed, had committed no crime, and was trying to retrieve her hand bag to return to her home?
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Nothing. See posts #104, #86, and #82.

descamisado said:
Sage Rat, I remember reading somewhere that some of the reduction in fatalities from gun shot wounds was also due to improve trauma techniques and outcomes.
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That's not relevant. The studies are counting the number of cases where a gun was drawn versus a taser drawn, not whether someone was shot, nor whether that gunshot was lethal.

Say that in 2000, a gun is drawn 1% of the time and fired 20% of all times it is drawn. (These are made up statistics.) That would mean in 10,000 arrests, 20 people would be shot. Not killed, just shot. We aren't looking at statistics of death, just usage.

The taser is introduced, and in 2003 instead of police officers drawing a gun 1% of the time, they only draw it 0.5% of the time. Having drawn it, there's still a 20% chance of them using it, but because they only draw a gun half as often as they used to, per 10,000 arrests in 2003, only 10 people will be shot.

When the police shoot you, it is to kill you. In official lingo, it's simply to "stop" you, but it is also officially known as "lethal force". You might not die, but still someone is doing a damned good job of trying to kill you. No matter what, when a taser is used, fewer people will be shot and killed simply because fewer people are shot period. So far as I'm concerned, that's a good thing.
 
billfish678 said:
Like nearly ALL the other cops did wrong threads, it boils down to this. When a COP TELLS you to do something, you DO IT. If you don't do, he is pretty much required to FORCE you to comply. To allow otherwise would defeat the very concept of a cop.

She didnt get tazed because she was lying. She got tazed because she ran and was resisting.

DO WHAT the cop says, take a ride ride downtown. Behave yourself. And if you think the whole thing was a crock of shit get hold of a lawyer, or the ACLU, the local paper, or Al Sharpton or something.
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This is wrong and bullshit. Cops are not allowed to use any force they choose to get you to answer a question. Tazers are defensive weapons like guns. They can not be legally used to make someone answer a question or get into a car. I would think the fact that one cop was fired, one resigned and the higher ups agreed it was wrong would make this obvious to you.
 
monstro said:
I followed the link, but I still very confused. What did she do to get tased? Did she do anything besides calling the cops for help?

I believe this happened and that the cops were some sadistic fucks, and yet I don't think I have all the relevant information.
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Far as I can tell, she didn't want to give the name of the male friend who was there with her, and the cops thought it was maybe a domestic violence incident rather than a prowler, so the cops said they were arresting her. She got scared and one of the cops said she was in a "fight or flight" posture, and then the tasing started.
 
Robot Arm said:
A woman calls the police because there is a prowler outside the house, right now, as she is making the call. And her friend from ten miles away gets to her place before the cops do?
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In retrospect there probably was more to the story re the "friend" and the prowler/unwanted guest reason for the call, but it is interesting on one level as to what extent you can tell the police to "MYOB" if they suspect a domestic abuse scenario. It would be interesting to get the audio of the original 911 call to see what she is telling the 911 operator.

There has to be more to this. Based on the police car video she should be suing the crap out of them, and the tasering policeman should be up on charges, but that doesn't seem to be happening.
 
Really Not All That Bright said:
Sage Rat said:
Oglomott said:
On Tasers: Yes, they hurt. They're supposed to. What good would they be if they didn't?
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I don't believe that that's true. The purpose of a taser is to incapacitate a person, not to make them feel pain. The pain is just a side-effect of the method used.

Point in fact, I'm nigh 100% certain that incapacitating a person is the sole intended and prescribed purpose of a taser.
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Good thing law enforcement agencies don't order tasers with the drive stun function, then!
gonzomax said:
Don't quote the police about them. They use them and are defending them. They can manufacture data as they see fit and they will.
If you want to discuss your data find a neutral source.
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I'm not sure Amnesty International counts as a neutral source either.
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I am sure the difference is beyond you, but your claim that a taser is harmless pain ,is what I refuted. That does not require a lot of nuance. All I had to do was prove people die from them. They do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues Read and weep.
 
Cat Whisperer said:
It also seems to me that if you're going to encourage a culture of cops being above the law (not informing on each other, not giving each other tickets when laws were obviously broken), then cops feeling they have a carte blanche is going to be the downside of that.
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Are you suggesting that there is also an upside? :dubious:
 
treis said:
Yeah, why would anyone feel danger from someone waving a handgun and threatening to kill everyone?
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Hey now, don't be bringing up any reasonable points into our weekly "All copz is duh suxxorz!" festival...
 
PlainJain said:
This is wrong and bullshit. Cops are not allowed to use any force they choose to get you to answer a question.
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The cop wasn't using it to get answers. He was using it to get her to stop resisting arrest so that she could be taken back and put in jail.
 
Ferret Herder said:
Far as I can tell, she didn't want to give the name of the male friend who was there with her, and the cops thought it was maybe a domestic violence incident rather than a prowler, so the cops said they were arresting her. She got scared and one of the cops said she was in a "fight or flight" posture, and then the tasing started.
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What I gathered is that she heard the prowler, called 911 and then called her friend to come over. The police somehow thought it was a domestic violence incident, so they insisted on knowing the name of her friend, who was leaving as they arrived, because they believed him to be the aggressor.
 
Sage Rat said:
PlainJain said:
This is wrong and bullshit. Cops are not allowed to use any force they choose to get you to answer a question.
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The cop wasn't using it to get answers. He was using it to get her to stop resisting arrest so that she could be taken back and put in jail.
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And the only reason he arrested her was because she refused to answer a question. Therefore, the only reason she was tased was because she didn't answer the question.

And notice that these guys were FIRED. That means---THEY WERE WRONG! So shut the fuck up, you Taser apologists. You people who think it's morally correct to obey all sources of authority--well, you're essentially Nazis, so I have no problem wishing that you would get tasered repeatedly. Since apparently overloading your body with pain so severe that you pass out is not torture, and LESS that police brutality, I can, by the rules of this board, wish it upon you.
 
Dewey Finn said:
What I gathered is that she heard the prowler, called 911 and then called her friend to come over. The police somehow thought it was a domestic violence incident, so they insisted on knowing the name of her friend, who was leaving as they arrived, because they believed him to be the aggressor.
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Based on what, their spidey senses? They had no reason to do what they did but we always have the group that is on the cops side . It can never be the cops fault, she just needed a bunch of tasing.
 
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