Woman calls police. They brutalize and arrest her.

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This is exactly how the American public wants tasers to be used.

In thread after thread on this board, and in countless discussions in real life, the vast majority of people have said they think it's just fine for police to cause high levels of pain in order to force compliance (even for seeminlgy minor issues).

I steadfastly disagree.
 
Sage Rat said:
Kobal2 said:
I daresay there's a middle being excluded, here ;)
Or did cops make it a habit of breaking suspects' arms (for pain compliance, you see) before the taser came along to solve this outstanding law-enforcement issue ?
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I'd venture to guess that the answer is yes. Subduing a person physically is liable to end up in broken arms, missing eyes, bruises, cuts, and even gun shots. Before the taser they had the billy club, their fists, and a gun. Of those four options, which do you want the police to use on you if, for whatever reason, you have decided to fight with them? Sure, the cop might be skilled enough to win 90% of his fights without having to do major damage, but why should he endanger himself like that? Police officer has a wife and kids. He might be in a job where he's going to risk himself on a day-to-day basis, but that doesn't mean that we should make him come home bruised every day rather than tase people who were committing a crime by resisting arrest. And why add that extra 10% of people who suffer major damage rather than using a taser? Between harmless pain and broken arms, pain is better.
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http://www.amnestyusa.org/us-human-rights/taser-abuse/page.do?id=1021202 351 deaths by Taser so far. Not harmless .
No ,broken arms were not common in the old days.
 
Since the cops had spoken to him and told him he could leave, I'd say that was proof enough.
 
Snowboarder Bo said:
This is exactly how the American public wants tasers to be used.

In thread after thread on this board, and in countless discussions in real life, the vast majority of people have said they think it's just fine for police to cause high levels of pain in order to force compliance on even the most minor issues.

I steadfastly disagree.
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Perhaps some day when medical treatment of trauma injuries has advanced enough, we will be able to retire tasers and just go back to shooting people the old fashioned way. If they're going to survive it, what's the dif?
 
gonzomax said:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/us-human-rights/taser-abuse/page.do?id=1021202 351 deaths by Taser so far. Not harmless .
No ,broken arms were not common in the old days.
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Which number is equivalent to the percentage of people who died by being told to lie down flat on the ground, to raise their hands over their head, by being sprayed with pepper spray, or by being left alone. Acting as the catalyst to a death and being the cause of a death are very different things. Some people are just on the verge of death and you're pretty well screwed no matter what you do.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Deaths+during+police+intervention-a0145015102
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B8CY1-4RV1K17-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=28772c2f1d4904459b3dd6df1374ca11
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL28860920080902
http://mediafilter.org/caq/caq56pepper.html
 
billfish678 said:
Like nearly ALL the other cops did wrong threads, it boils down to this. When a COP TELLS you to do something, you DO IT. If you don't do, he is pretty much required to FORCE you to comply. To allow otherwise would defeat the very concept of a cop.

She didnt get tazed because she was lying. She got tazed because she ran and was resisting.

DO WHAT the cop says, take a ride ride downtown. Behave yourself. And if you think the whole thing was a crock of shit get hold of a lawyer, or the ACLU, the local paper, or Al Sharpton or something.
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I thought tazing was meant to be equivalent to deadly force, like a gun. If you wouldn't shoot someone for resisting arrest, especially when they haven't even shown themselves to be dangerous, why would you taze them?

It's not like we're talking about a dangerous criminal who's resisting arrest. This is someone who's either an innocent person calling about a prowler or someone who may have lied but who is still a domestic abuse victim. She hasn't harmed anyone. She isn't about to. It sounds like running away was out of fear. And frankly, considering their reaction, it doesn't sound like this fear was unwarranted.
 
MTCicero said:
Oh, and they've bidden me to tell you to bend over more, as they can't penetrate with the shaft's full length and girth.
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I'm not defending the cops, you dumb fucking cow. I was defending Dewey against accusations that he was on the cops' side. He wasn't. I pointed that out.

Could you be any worse at reading comprehension?
 
Sage Rat said:
harmless pain
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That's an oxymoron.
But I've already elaborated enough on the problem with tasers in the recent GD thread, so let's leave it at that and agree to [del]call the other an idiot behind his back[/del] disagree.
 
Freudian Slit said:
I thought tazing was meant to be equivalent to deadly force, like a gun. If you wouldn't shoot someone for resisting arrest, especially when they haven't even shown themselves to be dangerous, why would you taze them?

It's not like we're talking about a dangerous criminal who's resisting arrest. This is someone who's either an innocent person calling about a prowler or someone who may have lied but who is still a domestic abuse victim. She hasn't harmed anyone. She isn't about to. It sounds like running away was out of fear. And frankly, considering their reaction, it doesn't sound like this fear was unwarranted.
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Yes, you can certainly argue whether tazer equals gun and when either should or should not be used. But currently, tazing is generally considered an option that ranks more with strong arming and pepper spray than with shooting people (though this obviously varies by region/department).

But when she ran and resisted it was time for physical force. And she caused it.

And of course, a good video could still make the difference as there is resisting and there is resisting if you know what I mean.

Don't RESIST people. Its not that complicated.
 
Although the first cop's car might not have been in a good position for the dash cam, what about the microphone? Couldn't we at least get an audio recording of what went down with the first cop before the second cop arrived? That might give us a clearer picture of what happened.
 
Snowboarder Bo said:
This is exactly how the American public wants tasers to be used.
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By idiot, slap-happy cops who wind up fired or forced to resign for fucking up?

I'm not American, I've never been to Georgia, but I really can't accept that people there want an innocent citizen tortured by twats like the ones in the OP.

God, I don't know this woman, I've never met her nor will I, I generally can't come up with much more than a 'meh' when it comes to RO threads and I have to say I'm completely disgusted.

I hope she sues and I hope she gets a very hearty payout.
 
astro said:
Remember the context that there is huge push via various laws that the police must follow in scenarios where the might even be a hint of domestic violence to identify and separate the participants. This legislation was drafted to prevent domestic violence and the police are responsible for enforcing these laws which they take very seriously.
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That's where the cops' story falls apart, IMO. If they honestly believed that this was a domestic violence situation: Why did they allow the presumptive suspect (the male friend) to leave the scene? Even if they had his address (or what he said was his address, clearly they didn't ask for ID of any sort) if they honestly believed for a moment that there was a chance in hell that there was domestic violence or some sort of a threat, or trespassing or anything else, whether he was the husband, the secret lover or the paperboy, then he should not have been allowed to just get into his car and drive off. I firmly doubt that they believed him guilty of anything.

That they did let him leave without getting his name puts paid to the entire story that they thought he might've perpetrated any crime, and basically, it seems pretty clear that they were using the threat of arrest to cover up their blunder in not getting the man's name.

But her unwillingness to fix their error for them did not and could not justify an arrest to begin with. You have to identify yourself when police have a lawful reason to be interacting with you. But there is no law compelling anyone to give the police the name of another person. There's no law compelling anyone to give a witness statement, whether they're a bystander or the alleged/potential victim. Police can order you to do things, they cannot order you to talk.

So justify tasering her because she ran/resisted arrest until you're blue in the face, but there was no reason for an arrest to start with.
 
Labrador Deceiver said:
I'm not defending the cops, you dumb fucking cow. I was defending Dewey against accusations that he was on the cops' side. He wasn't. I pointed that out.

Could you be any worse at reading comprehension?
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Don't bother -- this is his "I'm fucking useless to the discussion" topic.
 
At least they were able to use the dash cam against the officers.

While listening to Talk of the Nation a week or two ago about laws making it illegal to record cops (Link) the guest mentioned an incident in Prince George's County where a journalist was mistreated by cops. There were seven police cars which all had malfunctioning dash cams. :rolleyes:
 
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