Woman calls police. They brutalize and arrest her.

[AWB]

At least they were able to use the dash cam against the officers.

While listening to Talk of the Nation a week or two ago about laws making it illegal to record cops (Link) the guest mentioned an incident in Prince George's County where a journalist was mistreated by cops. There were seven police cars which all had malfunctioning dash cams.

Sounds like what would happen in DC-area Maryland. Glad I moved.

 

[Really Not All That Bright]

On Tasers: Yes, they hurt. They're supposed to. What good would they be if they didn't?

I don't believe that that's true. The purpose of a taser is to incapacitate a person, not to make them feel pain. The pain is just a side-effect of the method used.

Point in fact, I'm nigh 100% certain that incapacitating a person is the sole intended and prescribed purpose of a taser.

Good thing law enforcement agencies don't order tasers with the drive stun function, then!

Don't quote the police about them. They use them and are defending them. They can manufacture data as they see fit and they will.
If you want to discuss your data find a neutral source.

I'm not sure Amnesty International counts as a neutral source either.

 

[Kinthalis]

There is definitely a bright side in all this

 

[ivan astikov]

Let's recap: you threw in the strawman of high-speed chases (which, of course, had not a damn thing at all to do with this conversation). I then pointed out the glaring difference between a tasing and a high-speed pursuit. You then offered up the pointless dung-nugget above.

Now, since you're in the bottom 1% of this board when it comes to both reading comprehension and brain function, let me try and get this to sink in for you: A girl I cared very deeply for has been in the ground for 20 years now, the result of an overzealous cop pursuing someone who decided not to pull over...because of a broken turn signal. Anyone who thinks I'm always on the side of police is a fucking moron. And anyone who thinks I'm in favor of high-speed chases makes a fucking moron look like a Mensa candidate.

I'm in the bottom 1%? You are the dimwitted twit who believes in psychic abilities and expected me to know that, by the look of it.

 

[Sage Rat]

Don't quote the police about them. They use them and are defending them. They can manufacture data as they see fit and they will.
If you want to discuss your data find a neutral source.

So the fact that they've received less complaints of brutality and the number of law suits for police brutality have dropped off is just further lies? You know that cries of conspiracy make you immediately in the wrong?

But sure:

http://www.jcfmjournal.org/article/S1353-1131(05)00199-9/abstract
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1622104&show=html
http://taser.com/research/Science/Documents/Bleetman%20TASER%20safety.pdf (last paragraph, page 18)
http://media.charleston.net/2009/pdf/tasersummary_070709.pdf
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/12/2268
http://www.atypon-link.com/VAT/doi/abs/10.1350/pojo.76.3.189.19443

And note, here, that I've simply listed every relevant item shown in Google Scholar. There was no paper saying anything other than that lives are saved and injuries are diminished when tasers are introduced into policing.

 

[foolsguinea]

Naaa...the details here are very much lacking, but even with our limited info it sure looks to me like those two were Grade-A fuckwits.

My comment was regarding the other case, in which the cops took reasonable action, along with the way these threads tend to bring out the "fuck all cops" contingent

Yeah. I agree with you.

In fact, I can mostly sympathize with Ryan Smith. He was a young cop (22), responding to assist an older cop (52), the older cop was apparently injured when he got there, & he tried to get things under control. I think he screwed up by using excessive force, but he was following the misleading presentation of the situation by his colleague. Worth a reprimand, but I don't know that his career should end.

But it's still horrifying what he did. Tim Murphy completely hosed the situation & then Smith failed to stop it, instead contributing to it. (Though arguably Smith managed to get things under control in his way, & maybe things would have gone worse if he hadn't responded. I don't have enough information on Murphy to say; he may have been confused & angry after he bumped his knee, or he may have been a confused, angry, racist pig.)

Understandable, but horrible.

Citing this link that Projammer provided in post #22 again, & thanks:
http://www.ajc.com/news/2-officers-out-of-568967.html

 

[MTCicero]

One can only hope that people who defend abuses of power become victims of it, that is probably the most effective way to rehabilitate them.

I'm not saying that people defending these cops should have their testicles attacked to electrodes, or their anuses penetrated with a nightstick, I'm just saying it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if that happened...

Amen to that.

 

[MTCicero]

Are you suggesting that there is also an upside? :dubious:

The people who support cops having a different set of rules for themselves think there is. I don't think cops should have a different set of rules; I think cops should get tickets when they break traffic rules when driving (not in pursuit) or when caught drunk-driving off-duty; I think cops should rat on each other all the time, as often as necessary. I don't believe in the blue code of silence, or whatever it's called. I think cops need to hold themselves to the possible highest standards, so that when questionable things happen, our first response isn't; "Dammit, the cops are out of control again!" but, "That's unusual; cops don't usually do that."[/QUOTE]

Once again, Cat Whisperer, you've crystallized my thoughts quite eloquently.

 

[Icarus]

I gurantee you that if that video would not have made it out, the PD would be singing a different tune.

C'mon, who are you going to believe? The police or your lying videotape?

 

[Astro]

Just out of curiosity on a technical/legal point, did the officer really have any legal grounds to arrest her for not giving him the name of her guest, or was that made up BS?

 

[gonzomax]

Don't quote the police about them. They use them and are defending them. They can manufacture data as they see fit and they will.
If you want to discuss your data find a neutral source.

So the fact that they've received less complaints of brutality and the number of law suits for police brutality have dropped off is just further lies? You know that cries of conspiracy make you immediately in the wrong?

But sure:

http://www.jcfmjournal.org/article/S1353-1131(05)00199-9/abstract
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1622104&show=html
http://taser.com/research/Science/Documents/Bleetman%20TASER%20safety.pdf (last paragraph, page 18)
http://media.charleston.net/2009/pdf/tasersummary_070709.pdf
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/12/2268
http://www.atypon-link.com/VAT/doi/abs/10.1350/pojo.76.3.189.19443

And note, here, that I've simply listed every relevant item shown in Google Scholar. There was no paper saying anything other than that lives are saved and injuries are diminished when tasers are introduced into policing.

Conspiracy? What are you talking about? Police brutality cases are not on a steady rise. I made no such claim. You should not make up your own arguments and then claim victory for defeating them.
Like the idea that the option is taser or broken arms. That is dumb.

 

[Dewey Finn]

FYI, I linked to that same article in post number 5. And as the article said, Officer Smith got a job with the Chattahoochee County Sheriff's office, so clearly his career isn't over. (I'd think that the sheriff in Chattahoochee County would want to wait for the investigation to be complete before hiring that officer.

 

[ghardester]

At least she wasn't an 87 year old woman in Oregon, cause the cops taser them to death here:

http://www.kptv.com/news/24241121/detail.html

87 years old with a heart condition and a pacemaker. Of course the police would have been fine with just shooting her too. Because she had a pellet gun.

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/07/elderly_armed_woman_tasered_by.html

The officer who dared to confront her by stepping out in the open will likely get a medal for bravery.

 

[Sage Rat]

Conspiracy? What are you talking about?

This:

They can manufacture data as they see fit and they will.

That's crying conspiracy. It's the same argument used by denialists against the Holocaust, Global Warming, etc. "They're liars and make up data, man."

Like the idea that the option is taser or broken arms. That is dumb.

Given that the data supports that fewer criminals are shot to death when tasers are introduced, I'd have to question how you think that the possibility of there being fewer broken arms wouldn't be reasonable to assume as well. Certainly a broken arm isn't going to be a significant percentage of injuries when an officer and suspect get into a tussle, nor is it that one of them will get shot. The point though is that simply all potential damage is reduced when tasers are used. Fewer people are shot to death. Fewer people are bruised, have their eye jabbed out, cut, punched, hit with a flashlight, etc. That's what the data says. How is that not a good outcome? You would rather that more people are shot or beaten with a flashlight?

 

[Really Not All That Bright]

Like nearly ALL the other cops did wrong threads, it boils down to this. When a COP TELLS you to do something, you DO IT. If you don't do, he is pretty much required to FORCE you to comply. To allow otherwise would defeat the very concept of a cop.

I'm a cop, and I'm telling you to suck my dick.

On your knees, bitch.

 

[Lanzy]

Cops, eh? Never surprised by this shit.

 

[Cat Fight]

I think they should get together with the cop who pushed this cyclist and the one who pushed this disabled woman to start some sort of badass detective agency. That nun who helped the woman from the last video can be their arch enemy.

 

[alice_in_wonderland]

Given that the data supports that fewer criminals are shot to death when tasers are introduced, I'd have to question how you think that the possibility of there being fewer broken arms wouldn't be reasonable to assume as well. Certainly a broken arm isn't going to be a significant percentage of injuries when an officer and suspect get into a tussle, nor is it that one of them will get shot. The point though is that simply all potential damage is reduced when tasers are used. Fewer people are shot to death. Fewer people are bruised, have their eye jabbed out, cut, punched, hit with a flashlight, etc. That's what the data says. How is that not a good outcome? You would rather that more people are shot or beaten with a flashlight?

Even if you accept all of the above is true - what, at all, does that have to do with the women in the OP who was unarmed, had committed no crime, and was trying to retrieve her hand bag to return to her home?

The answer is jack shit - 'cus even if tasers are appropriate in some cases if a trained police officer can't subdue a 57 year old unarmed grade 3 teacher without using one, he's a shitty officer and deserved to be fired. Apparently his superiors agree with me, 'cus he no longer works there.

 

[Freudian Slit]

Yes, you can certainly argue whether tazer equals gun and when either should or should not be used. But currently, tazing is generally considered an option that ranks more with strong arming and pepper spray than with shooting people (though this obviously varies by region/department).

But when she ran and resisted it was time for physical force. And she caused it.

And of course, a good video could still make the difference as there is resisting and there is resisting if you know what I mean.

Don't RESIST people. Its not that complicated.

But then you're giving cops a huge amount of power that I don't think a lot of them warrant. Many of them do abuse power. If you're saying that being a cop means people have to submit, then they can pretty much tell you to do anything you want, which I find kind of scary.

 

[Projammer]

When I first saw this story several days ago, it indicated that the woman was a friend of the sheriff.

Ah. Here it is.

After hearing about the calls to Wells' house, a woman he had known for years, the sheriff got to the house just as she was shocked for the last time.