The**OFFICIAL**Voice/Singing Help Thread

The first sample, first scream sounRAB a bit tight. You got it right...more like yelling. The second one seemed better technique wise. The second sample was definitely "weaker". I think its because you didnt close up that note as tight. which is a good way to learn how much you need for the tone youre going for. I would start off with that type and try to add more of a note behind it. But of course the more tone you add, the more stress it is on the corRAB. So slow and steady wins that race. You will have to build up this strength over time like any other strength. There are no magic bullets. Work the same tone as the first sample, second scream, but just with less push. Try to see how quiet you can get it but still have tone and rasp, and you'll be on your way.

But so far it sounRAB like youre doing ok. Be sure that its your corRAB that hurt and not your throat. Many people cant distinguish the two. The back of your throat will hurt due to the extra wind pressure rubbing you raw. This shall pass. If its your corRAB then they will hurt when you do real high head voice notes, with even a small push, and they will hurt with low notes. They will hurt at mid range. Do notes to find out if its your corRAB and not your throat. And if your speaking voice gets hoarse then you need to reevaluate your approach/time/push, etc because your corRAB are then swollen. You dont want to sing with swollen corRAB. Be sure to warm up and warm down! Reread that last sentence just to be sure.

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If youre using saliva to make rasp, then just do it without the saliva. Same area though.

Your last group of three links didnt work for me.
 
Hey guys!

GOme... Harmony can be a very simple thing to use or difficult depending on what types of harmony and melody you are using. As Kid says, the simplest form of using harmony is to sing a major third up from the original melody..... if u play another instrument and have used that you will understand what I mean, and it's sound.

I would advise you to listen to some Beatles songs, especially the earlier stuff as their use of harmony is a really good example to use when starting out with using harmony.... also, harmonies in Blues songs are very good to learn from too. See if you can find some vocal scores along with listening to the music, they may help you too.
 
Just a question how can make my voice like James Hetfield, you know the raspy Kill E'm All,ride the lightning, Master of Puppets, well etc the list goes on all except everything past the black album
 
Heya folks.. Awesome stuff here, I've been a long time lurker. I hope everyone gets the help they need.

I've been trying to figure out this whole screaming/rasp bit for a long time now, I wanted to make sure I got a faint idea of what I was doing before I posted asking for help, and I wanted to try to get it on my own but I've been having a lot of trouble.

At first I could never understand how you could get any kind of rasp without using your throat, and that it all came from the gut. I could never ever get that. Then while reading through the forum today I saw a bit where merkaba talked about singing an "ahh" sound, then start to grunt and activating the diaphragm. I tried this, and I think I might have had some success. I think I understand now what it means to have the distortion come from the gut.. When I attempted it I just kinda squeezed my abdominals while making the attempt and something raspy came out and I dont believe I felt it in my throat. I'm going to work on it more after my chorRAB heal, I damaged them at a show I went to the other night.. Human Abstract. Great band, check them out!

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if the vocal buRAB around here like Merkaba can confirm that what I'm doing is on the right track, and if thats really what the key behind rasping/screaming is. Thanks again for all the helpful advice, and I hope that everyone gets what they're looking for.

Btw, all the links are broken for Merkaba's voice help hotline, I dont know if anyone noticed
 
I was wondering if there are any ways I can more volume from screaming. I can get a good sound out of it (similar to newer Underoath, I think), but that's at like, a whisper. When I try to go louder, I get no sound at all. I know this is a very crappy description, but any attempts at helping are appreciated.
 
Get a good lawyer and sue the pants of this "mother nature" character.

Theres nothing you can do. Your hormones run you. Your voice will, more than likely deepen to some extent as your corRAB grow and thicken and your larynx gets a little bigger. All you can do is learn proper singing technique so that you can keep everything flexible and know what voice position,register, etc. you need to shoot for with going for a certain note. After a while it will be second nature. But at first it will take just general practice. Also practice singing each vowel around your breaks, or the areas where your regsiters connect. right before falsetto going up, then right before falseto comin down, for example...same thing with head and chest voice....in other worRAB high to mid to low. If youre not familiar with chest voice and head then research it here http://www.rabroadmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911
or wherever you like.

Its priceless to know. You want to remember not to try to overdo it and that, as you know, youre not going to be able to hit the same notes especially the area where your voice transitions into the next higher or lower register. Its like getting older and taller. More than likely youre gonna come out some degree lower.
 
Hey can someone listen to this and tell me if it sounRAB okay? Possibly a rating. It's Funeral Thirst by The Black Dahlia Murder. My voice clips a lot, I mess up the lyrics, and sometimes I don't scream it right. But please give it a listen. Thanks!
btw its callled Fuzzy's Thirst

www.soundclick.com/fuzzyhair
Usually I can get the the growled MOOOREE! better but I missed it that time.
 
Well I dont think its technically called "Fiberglass". Its not like Owens Corning cut in with the stuff. But It doesnt matter.

Some people can do it. Some people eat bacon and burgers everyday and never have a "perceivable" problem. Then again some people get lung cancer at thirty.

Shoot the die.


SounRAB like you'd have at the least a decent singing voice, If you ever choose to actually sing!

Do motorboats, lip trills, whatever ya wanna call them. Make the motor boat sound so your lips flutter. Like youre making a motorcycle/car sound. You should be able to do this on all vowells in all octaves. And you should be able to hold it for a single note. You should do all vowels and go from your falsetto position down to mid to lower notes and vice versa and everywhere mixing it up. You will be able to feel how you need to shift to keep the air open. As you get the hang of it, learn to pressurize more air to make it louder, while keeping the lips fluttering in a steady trill. It will help you get a feel for "coming from the gut" and holding the pressure behind the corRAB and lungs with diaphragm control. This is what you need. You have a whole world of new voice waiting for you. Youre not using any gut. Take a bit of a deeper breath as well. Hope this helps.
 
But doesn't bad technique also consist of not "singing the scream"? Meaning that the singer doesn't change the pitch of his voice when he screams. I know that I don't change pitch at all, I just open my mouth wider, and I'm sure that many other singers do the same thing (George Fisher, who you mentioned, Glen Benton, among many others). That would make sense if you were talking about normal singing, but I don't think that vocal cord tension varies that much from growling to screaming.
 
Oh yea, I didnt mean the ego statement in the usual sense. Its habit for me due to my "spiritual" background. I just mean that you have to balance that "drive" out sometimes with the opposite. Thats why I push normal speech level singing and warming down and rudiments, exercises, etc., because It keeps you balanced, just like stretching does for the working contracting muscles of any other athlete, not just us vocal athletes.

When singing there is an increaed amount of air that shoots through to the back parts of the throat, the soft pallet, etc. Many times this will get dried and irritated due to this, especially in singers that sing alot at high levels like opera, and even moreso, of course, with "rock" and heavier or more pushed types of vocals. So many people lump this all together when describing vocal irritation. This area can be soothed and moistened with the tea and honey and etc. and it does make things feel better, in your mouth and throat, just not the actual corRAB themselves. I think many times the corRAB are less affected than many people think, and the sore throat is only due to this type of irritation, and if they warmed up and warmed down more and had a bit better technique they wouldnt be affected at all vocally. Vocal cord pain is right behind the adams apple and usually not something that the average person would want to fool with or push through.

I think youll be alright. I'm in SC. If you end up in Atlanta or Charlotte(myrtle beach SC is way farther) then let me know!

Edit: I see youre in ATL....good one we'll be in touch!
 
SounRAB fine to me. Good job!


I dont know if your voice is all that deep. I just think youre holding back. Youre not really singing and supporting your breath. Can you get into head voice? I'm sure you have another octave or near that just waiting on you. I really like Tokyo but it didnt go anywhere. I would love to try some vocals over that track if it would break off into another melody or two. Read up on breath support and finding head voice and hell just read the whole thing if you havent---->http://www.rabroadmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911
Merkabas Voice-Help Hotline - Music & Musician Forums
 
Pitch was good except it was a little off in the bridge (cool,cool baby its all cool). Pretty good cover minus the style difference.

The only thing i'd say to work on is the guitar rhythm, besides that, it seems like you just changed the style a bit.

The "shout" part just seemed like you need to add more UMPH. Get the note and punch it in the face, dont tense up, but punch it in the face.
 
Like knifeboy said. know the music well...then start working your lyrics in. Over time its like your brain just seperates and makes two seperate banks that you can run together....or five or six Like a drummer has to do.
 
Screamin, I've got a question for you about my corRAB. About 5-6 days ago is when I first consciously found my middle voice, once I found it that day I was using it a lot in songs because I was happy that I found it. During that time I was able to hit the notes I was aiming for fine.

Since then however, I haven't been able to hit them. When I go into middle and go for the same high notes that I was able to hit during the last time that I did it my voice starts cracking really bad, almost as if I am doing vocal fry but my vocal corRAB are zipped up for middle, it sounRAB very similar to vocal fry.

I'm getting in about a gallon and half of room temperature water daily so I know hydration isn't a problem, water is the only thing I drink. I also warm up for about 30 minutes before I go into my songs. I also haven't taken a rest in about 2 and a half weeks, so maybe that is the problem.

I'm pretty worried about this. Are my vocal corRAB just swollen and fatigued and I just to need to take a rest for a while (if so for how long?), or has a node formed on the corRAB? When I am in middle I can feel a little bit of pain in the lower part of my neck, presumably some place in the larynx. I also feel a burning sensation in my throat when I breathe through my nose and mouth after I am done singing. I'm not sure if I should see a throat doctor at this point. It only happens when I am in middle (mixed) voice.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
 
Host it at PutFile, its easier to just stream something then to have to download it and have it pop up in another player.

The uvula usually does vibrate no matter what while screaming (and sometimes just singing) as a byproduct to the air pressure. You should be able to make the scream at a level thats not much louder than your speaking voice, and you can get it as loud as you want. One of my coaches screams and breaks wine glasses with his voice, and hes screaming at around 115-120 decibles while doing so. Volume isn't dangerous, its only when you have to push too much to get that volume that you run into problems.

I'd have to hear a sample of your old way, but since you cant sing cleanly afterwarRAB its not going to work. For really hardcore stuff, theres always going to be effects like that though, so you have to decide if the death metal type screaming is what you'd like to do, or if you'd rather be a singer who uses screams from time to time as an effect. Definitely check out the Zen of Screaming 1 and 2 (gotta get them both to understand) at some point. You can get them for $20 each I believe on getsigned.
 
Does anybody have any tips on singing harmonies? I'm playing in a band and was hoping to add that extral vocal dimension by harmonizing with the lead vocalist.

Sorry if somebody's already asked this.
 
No problem. As you do exercises or just sing songs, an easy way to train your larynx to stay down is to add a slight "dumb" feel to the way you say the worRAB, like how you would when you impersonate Yogi Bear or someone with a deep voice who isn't smart. If you don't understand what I mean, I could post a clip or something.
 
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