Terminator: Salvation - surprised!
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I thought it was alright. It seemed to me that John Connor wasn't really in it that much. It was more about that Marcus character and Kyle Reese and every now and then Christian Bale uttering "I am Batm..." "John Connor" in his best "Batma.." "John Conn.." action voice.
The War of The WorlRAB / Transformer giant terminator/harvester thing was ridiculous though.
If John Connor gets killed in the first 5 mins of the next outing it will probably be all the better.
The War of The WorlRAB / Transformer giant terminator/harvester thing was ridiculous though.
If John Connor gets killed in the first 5 mins of the next outing it will probably be all the better.
i am a little confused about one major thing in the film - which has been raised in this thread, but not addressed.
and also when connor eventally senRAB back Reese, which in no doubt will be what one of the next 2 films will be about -and then a goodie Terminator - they'll both tell Sarah a whole new timeline of cyberdine and skyet's birth and the places where they can be infiltrated - and therefore those places will get bombed - does that mean that there will be another timeline (which we wont see, i know!)??!
i did read somewhere - may have been RAB, "Linda Hamilton may be the next star of T5". how? having Reese sent back and meeting her again - she's too old surely! maybe in the form of flashbacks.
how did skynet know about kyle reese to begin with? they certainly found out his importance after reading Marcus's mind at the end - but skynet already knew he was important and was chasing and "identifing" his face all the way through it!
i did read somewhere - may have been RAB, "Linda Hamilton may be the next star of T5". how? having Reese sent back and meeting her again - she's too old surely! maybe in the form of flashbacks.
Yeah it'll be a basic HD master. Cameron will want the works done to it for a proper release. It's his only perfect film IMO. With Aliens, T2 and The Abyss you're just thinking all the time about what version it is, which cut. Cameron never delivered a definitive cut for all three of them, the nutcase!
I wish there was a cut of T2 that only included the good stuff from the special edition and removed crap like John teaching the Terminator how to smile. The theatrical cut is preferrable for this reason alone. It took over 25 years for Ridley Scott do give us the perfect cut of Blade Runner so who knows if Cameron will revisit T2 again at any point. Same goes for Aliens.
I wish there was a cut of T2 that only included the good stuff from the special edition and removed crap like John teaching the Terminator how to smile. The theatrical cut is preferrable for this reason alone. It took over 25 years for Ridley Scott do give us the perfect cut of Blade Runner so who knows if Cameron will revisit T2 again at any point. Same goes for Aliens.
Guy in©ogn!to
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There is a "fan edit" of T3 floating around, called "T3 The Coming Storm", which apparently deals with a lot of the issues people had with the official version.
http://fanedit.org/483/
http://fanedit.org/483/
Christian Bale is such a horribly one-dimensional actor, he's very good at his one dimension, but was badly miscast in this.
As a man who has been targetted by machines since before he was born Bale on paper fits the part of a tortured soul who's had a hard life, but as a guy who has been helped by machines in T2, T3 and TSCC you'd think he'd be a little more open to the idea of a machine who said he didn't want to kill him. For this John Connor to make any sense you have to disregard every other portrayal of the character that there has ever been.
There were no twists in this, everything was predictable, one-liners like "I'll be back" were forced in for no good reason and were totally cringe-worthy rather than a nod to the earlier films. Stuff like that worked in T3 as that never took itself too seriously, this was the opposite and really hurt itself by being too serious.
The only other problem I had was that the resistance seemed to have no problem in beating the terminator bikes and you kill a T-600 by stabbing it in the neck, in other Terminator movies it took the entire film to kill one of them, in this they took them out with relative ease, the resistance should have won ages ago really.
If you take John Connor out of it, it's an OK action film, the other main characters were decent apart from Kate, but she was barely even acknowledged as existing and Bryce Dallas Howard is so wooden that it was easy to ignore her. Not all bad, but the 4th-best of the Terminator films.
As a man who has been targetted by machines since before he was born Bale on paper fits the part of a tortured soul who's had a hard life, but as a guy who has been helped by machines in T2, T3 and TSCC you'd think he'd be a little more open to the idea of a machine who said he didn't want to kill him. For this John Connor to make any sense you have to disregard every other portrayal of the character that there has ever been.
There were no twists in this, everything was predictable, one-liners like "I'll be back" were forced in for no good reason and were totally cringe-worthy rather than a nod to the earlier films. Stuff like that worked in T3 as that never took itself too seriously, this was the opposite and really hurt itself by being too serious.
The only other problem I had was that the resistance seemed to have no problem in beating the terminator bikes and you kill a T-600 by stabbing it in the neck, in other Terminator movies it took the entire film to kill one of them, in this they took them out with relative ease, the resistance should have won ages ago really.
If you take John Connor out of it, it's an OK action film, the other main characters were decent apart from Kate, but she was barely even acknowledged as existing and Bryce Dallas Howard is so wooden that it was easy to ignore her. Not all bad, but the 4th-best of the Terminator films.
karissalla
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No it's not. It's directed by McG, he of 'Charlies Angels' fame. At first it does indeed sound worrying, but the trailers and what i've read about the story really do give me hope that it will be good.
It was down to distribution rights AFAIK. Was also the reason why Europe was initially stuck only with HD DVD for T2 & not Blu-ray.
US: Lionsgate. Theatrical cut Blu-ray Disc.
Europe: Studio Canal. Theatrical & Director's Cut HD DVD, & then (after HD DVD died & Canal jumped to supporting Blu-ray), Director's Cut Blu-ray Disc.
US: Lionsgate. Theatrical cut Blu-ray Disc.
Europe: Studio Canal. Theatrical & Director's Cut HD DVD, & then (after HD DVD died & Canal jumped to supporting Blu-ray), Director's Cut Blu-ray Disc.
It's a plothole. Wasn't explained. Nor was it explained why Skynet cared about going after John, nor how it knew previous machines had failed.
Someone on another forum suggested that perhaps Skynet knew of various reports from T1 & T2:
e.g. In T1, Kyle's arrest record would detail his name & his "crazy story", plus his body was left behind in Cyberdyne. In T2, there would be recorRAB of Sarah's "crazy story". Maybe somehow Skynet (which in the new timeline is "software not hardware" - distributed computing) accessed those recorRAB & realised that Kyle was important, at least in some way.
Someone on another forum suggested that perhaps Skynet knew of various reports from T1 & T2:
e.g. In T1, Kyle's arrest record would detail his name & his "crazy story", plus his body was left behind in Cyberdyne. In T2, there would be recorRAB of Sarah's "crazy story". Maybe somehow Skynet (which in the new timeline is "software not hardware" - distributed computing) accessed those recorRAB & realised that Kyle was important, at least in some way.
I'm not sure they'd necessarily have to send Kyle back anyway. It's "already happened", just in another timeline (the original one). Maybe this time around the machines won't develop time travel.
Then again, maybe things will still play out roughly the same, and Skynet will still develop time travel & send a T-800 back to kill Sarah to stop John defeating it, so John will still send back Kyle. If so, I think it would lead to yet another timeline...
Sweet Sandy GirL
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Looking down the list, they've removed over half the film. Fanboys....gotta hate them
Or this would have worked has this been an 'original' timeline story where no one has been back in time and thus Conner had only 'post Judgement day' expreience of the machines.
There be at least one timeline where this is the case other effect begets cause if Connor was always the result of interference of Skynet and indeed why would he have been terminated in the first place
Oooh this time travel stuff can make you head squirm if you try and figure it all out.
There be at least one timeline where this is the case other effect begets cause if Connor was always the result of interference of Skynet and indeed why would he have been terminated in the first place
Oooh this time travel stuff can make you head squirm if you try and figure it all out.
Empire gave Cloverfield 5 stars and Rambo 2 stars. Definately should have been reversed. Film critics are useful to a point, but should be used as a guideline only. My favourite on the other hand is the critic James Berardinelli
Its almost summer!
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I thought it was dire. As other posters have said the sound was way too loud (I suffer hearing problems and I thought I might have to leave because I was sitting there with my hanRAB over my ears for the first five minutes).
CB plays John Connor as completely uninspiring - why would you follow this man into certain death?
The character Marcus was ok.
The ending was laughable.
CB plays John Connor as completely uninspiring - why would you follow this man into certain death?
The character Marcus was ok.
The ending was laughable.