Star Trek

Let it go man, just let it go.

I think you're going to have to face up to the fact that the slow, pompous, wooden Trek was another era. I have a funny feeling that nobody else will be continuing the franchise but JJ, it's gone. Live in the now.

You didn't like it at all? Just a hopeless mishmash? Why is there no substance to build on? How was TOS so different to this?

It seems 95% of the public and Trek fans like and support this film but theres a die hard, as there is in everything, that think it just wasn't 'anal' enough.
 
As I have stated before - 5/5 but i hate the parrallelleella universe stuff intensly...just as much as I hate the films that have no ending as 'we will leave the ending for you to decide'. You could have a seperate forum to discuss all the things that now did NOT happen in Star Trek :D

One thing I have noticed (nerdy point coming up for soundtrack fans) - some of the music was 'borrowed' from Battlestar Galactica.

Well, that's one hyped film gone, next is Terminator 2 and Transformers 2....good year for movies eh?!

PS. Audience was much better at our cinema this time....does that show ST fans are more considerate?
 
So every password in the Federation (for both fleet and planetary installations) is PASSWORD.

Their IT department won't be happy about that :D
 
I'm afraid I have to turn my back you you, now.

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Actually, I'll turn back around to point out it got generally very good reviews, so it's not just a 'fanboy' thing.

Ahem... That's all. Back to Star Trek, folks.

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Wow, what a film, one of those rare beasts where you catch yourself grinning throughout. Quite happy at the explanation as to why canon is chucked out the window.

Spock, Kirk and co really were from a diferent era and, to paraphrase Janeway, they were a different breed of Star Fleet Officer.

I find much of TNG unwatchable with all the Prime Directive bollocks and working within the rules and the crap with Guinan and Deanna and the ridiculous Enterprise D and the silly saucer separation and holosuites.....what was it in Generations, oh yes Georgian era Navy sad bunch of twits. Should be orgies with Troi and Tasha ;)

hope they make many more with the same cast and never, ever, ever move onto the TNG crew, which I am trying to forget exist.
 
I know, I really am not that sheltered. When he/she said the small screen I presumed they were not talking about their PC/laptop screen - unless it was on some kind of PPV channel then he/she must have bought a disc from some dodgy source. Sad really, I paid for me and my family to watch it on the big screen and will pick up the Blu-Ray soon. Big budget movies need to be watched in the highest possible sound and vision quality not on some shitty PC from a third rate disc source.
 
Overall, OK I suppose. I'll ignore my usual nit-picking tendencies (the science was just awful throughout. JJ really neeRAB to go back to school) and say I liked the alternate reality get-out. Very original. However, I do feel that if you're going to re-boot, do it properly. Kirk was Kirk because of Shatner. Same for Spock, McCoy, the whole cast. Now these poor new actors are going to spend the next 10 years or what every parrodying these iconic actors & characters rather than making these new versions their own.

Top class effects but JJ seriously neeRAB to invest in a steadycam. Enough with the shaky camera style! Stop it!

I also thought the new Enterprise interior was a bit confussing. Was that supposed to be engineering or a brewery? Deffinitely a bit TARDIS like with much more space inside than the outside suggested!

Lastly, anRAB my biggest bug-bear... the Federation promotes someone fresh out of the academy to be captain of their flagship after one mission? Seriously?
 
I think you may possibly have misinterpretted the seriousness of Orci's ramblings. Not only does he constantly refer to Quantum Mechanics as "the most current and awesome," theory, he also says that Nero's time-travelling directly explains why the Enterprise was built on the surface of Earth and looks different to how it did in TOS.

Considering that the film shows no evidence AT ALL to link Nero's one-off attack on the Kelvin to why Starfleet changed the design and construction site of the Enterprise, I think he was pulling everyone's leg.

The main point - to me - that gives this away is when he was asked about whether the timeline was erased and changed. He responRAB;



Personally, I think all the "science" he talked about was actually him having a little dig at the fans who take it all waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.

I mean, we don't need an explanation as to why the Enterprise looks diferent. Its because special effects have improved since the 60s and that's a good enough answer for most of us. But there are those out there whom - if they don't have every detail explained in the context of the Trek universe being real - would implode under the weight of the continuity paradox. I think Orci was appeasing them - whilst simultaneously taking the piss by laying on all this nonsense science as some "awesome" excuse.
 
I don't think you're quite understanding the quality of these "third rate disc sources" as you call them.

I've had Star Trek in high definition for 6 weeks. Converted it to DVD with a 7.5GB file size and watched it upscaled on my 42". Far superior picture quality to any legit retail DVD which isn't even available yet.

Please don't come on here slagging off what you don't know about.
 
THe first black hole could have been affected by the star in some way, causing a tunnel through time. We don't relly know, but it was in a significantly different situation to the others, so that could be an explanation for the different results.

As for the remaining two black holes, the one at Vulcan was created using one speck of red matter. The one at the end was created with every drop of red matter that Spock had. Ergo, much bigger and more dangerous black hole. I don't think that one is too hard to make sense of.

I do agree about ejecting the core, though. The Enterprise really should have sunk back in the moment they ejected, being that it was taking maximum warp to hold them steady. You'd also not expect an explosions to blow outward when it was that close to a black hole. Should have been sucked in.

The big question I had though, is what happened to all those black holes they made? There's now some super-massive black hole a few warp-seconRAB from Earth. That can't be good!



Nero did say he was going to save the Empire, but he was also going to give it a future free of the Federation. Considering he'd just destroyed 47 Klingon ships and then kicked the arses of a dozen more Federation ships, it seems pretty clear he outgunned the competition immensely. He probably couldn't see any risk to himself and so wasn't concerned about possibly being killed during his revenge mission.

That's part of the point of the film; he completely outgunned the entire Federation, but he didn't bank on James T. Kirk. Once again, Kirk beats all the odRAB.



Its not that stupid, really. Kirk was a liability in the middle of a major crisis (in Spock's mind), so getting him off the ship isn't that stupid an idea. He did dump him on a planet with a Starfleet base on it and if Kirk had remained in his pod - as instructed - he wouldn't have been in any danger. They could have locked him in the brig - but as a Star Trek fan, you must already know how useless they are at keeping prisoners secure!

As for landing so close to Spock, personally I don't need an explanation for that. There have been many good ideas put forward for this - but quite simply, this is the sort of convenient plot progression technique that is quite the norm. You could find then to the penny in every Trek series if you want to look for them.

I just don't find that level of nitpicking necessary.



THIS one I agree with. It was daft to see Vulcan so large in the sky of Delta Vega. If it were that close, Delta Vega would have been sucked up into the black hole, too. Heck, if it were that close, the two planets would probably have collided due to their own gravity, millenia ago.

They could just have given Spock a telescope to watch through and done away with a rather silly looking special effect.



I'm gonna agree with this too - although it didn't bother me too much. IT just seemed like they'd left themselves stuck without a way to get Kirk back tot he Enterprise, so invented some technobabble to get him back. It was Voyager's biggest crime (aside for the shit stories and lame characters)

The fact that they couldn't transport like this even in TNG's time also made it seem out of place. Not because they were breaking with continuity (let's face it, ALL of Trek has broken with its own continuity at some point) but because they were trying to make out like they were following continuity and they weren't.



This is where you lose me completely. I just can't be doing with "the insignias weren't right" or "ther enginie room looked wrong." The engine room in TOS was a box and in TMP it was a cathedral-like massive room with a pillar for a warp core.

The Enteprrise was was made of cardboard, plywood and christmas lights in TOS. It looked like a completely different ship (ie. one that ight actually fly) come the movies. They made the Enterprise's insignia the logo for all of Starfleet because they realised all the other ones looked wank.

As Bones would say - good god man! Star Trek is littered full of these sorts of cosmetic inconsistencies. Data had the wrong rank on in "All good Things..." when it flashed back to "Encounter at Farpoint." The Enterprise fired phasers out its torpedo launcher in "Darmok." The background crew in TNG walked around in the season 1-2 uniforms for years after the main cast got a new wardrobe. Get over it, already! If fans REALLY cared about these kinRAB of details, they'd have hated ALL of previous Star Trek!

Aside from Uhura speaking Romulan, where you are totally wrong and even continuity is against you. The first Romulan War involved no visible contact with the Romulans, but a peace accord - which resulted in the famous Treaty of Algeron - was negotiated via sub-space radio. Therefore, it is quite clear Starfleet would have had ample record of the Romulan language.

That and we saw Hoshi translating an intercepted ROmulan message in Enterprise, too.

The acting for the most part was good. Adam from 24 was good, Kirk was an utter **** but he was written that way. I found Scotty funny (the Willy Wonka Super-Ride-O-Tube bit was hardly his fault) and Bones was spot on but he was sidelined a bit because old-fashioned country doctors don't sell as many tickets to teenage boys as girls in their underwear do. Uhura... why did they change her character so much? Was that scene in the bedroom really necessary? And if someone's mother dies right in front of their eyes, and indeed most of his entire species, is it really appropriate to lock him in the turbolift and try and get in his pants? Besides, aren't there laws in Starfleet about banging your students? You can imagine Kirk getting away with something like that but Spock? It's illogical. Besides, I thought that Spock always loved Kirk, unless weird internet porn and deranged fan stories have been lying to me all these years.


So, nyah, nyah, nyah. I out-geeked you there ;)



Star Trek's always been all-over-the-place when it comes to time travel and multiple universes. Just like all the points I made before, Trek;s continuity is pretty shite really. It's so all over the place, its best not to worry about something as minor as this.

Why is it minor? Because we only have Spock and Uhura's word that this is now a parallel universe (doesn't matter what the director/writers say off-screen because that's not canon) so for all we know, it may really have wiped out all prior history and reset the timeline.

You do realise that the ONLY reason the "alternate universe" line is used is to appease the crazy fans who would have gone into cardiac arrest had they actually said they'd wiped out 40 years of continuity. Heck, enough fans are complaining of that anyway - without it being said - so imagine how much they'd be whining if it was said on-screen!
 
Saw this on Thursday. I enjoyed it, but I'm a little shocked by the overwhelmingly positive response it's received. I certainly think it had a lot of mainstream appeal, but I didn't feel it was necessarily anything spectacular - as others have mentioned on the thread, it was an out-of-the-box 'Trek' storyline, quite broadly characterised and had a number of awkward plot-holes.

I can't help but feel if this was a generic "action/sci-fi/space movie" it wouldn't receive half as much goodwill and praise. Too harsh/cynical? Perhaps... ;)



I actually found all the mannerisms a little misjudged; kind of spoilt the cinematic illusion for me - a heavy-handed "nod-and-a-wink" too far...
 
Just been to see it and have to say I loved the film. The characters were excellently portrayed and I must admit to getting a bit emotional at the end. Kirk and Spock particularly worked for me.
 
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