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But it does show that, within Trek Canon, the many worlRAB interpretation is accepted (at least for one episode... we all know what Trek continuity is like)...Parallel timelines/universes, branching off at different points due to different actions/choices etc. Trek has also shown it before with the Mirror Universe, which IIRC has been featured in every TV series apart from TNG.

So, if - within the world of Star Trek - time travel to the past was actually possible, plus the MWI is correct, then surely time travel to the past would cause different timelines to branch off.

Besides, this is Star Trek. It's science fiction. And I think Helbore is right regarding the whole timeline thing - it's just so that they can reboot the series without actually calling it a full "wipe the slate & piss off the fans" reboot.



Well, to be fair to Orci, he is the writer of a science fiction action movie, not a physicist.

As for time travel in general not being possible in the real world... well, so what. Trek is SF, & every series, as well as two of the previous movies, have featured time travel. It's not like ST2009 is the first to have time travel to the past, in violation of scientific theory.
 
Wow just seen that the film may be on track for $400 Million total at the boxoffice. It has gone to no2 in the UK now but apparently in the US it went back to number 1 after dropping briefly to no2 on Angels and Demons opening weekend. $46.2M vs. $43M (Second weekend) for Star Trek ($76.5M opening)

So looks as if its the most successful ST Movie of all time. I still think it could have done better in the UK - There wasn't enough advertising and hype. No programs or specials on TV.
 
I thought about that and decided that his human side was more dominant then as he was so much younger. Later (as in TOS) he managed to keep his emotions more under control.

Having said that I wasn't averse to seeing Spock have a little romance. :D
 
Saw it Friday night at IMAX in Manchester (6.30pm and the cinema was full) and have to agree with the sound, think its the best sound I've heard at a cinema in a while. One scene that stood out was when Kirk and Spock were on the Romulen ship near the end firing their phasers, sounded like you were in the middle of the fire fight!
 
I saw this on Thursday and overall I think it was pretty good - I am intrigued where the franchise will go next.

I think McCoys and Spocks characterisations were spot on - the rest were ok, but may take a bit of getting used to (especially Chekov). The special effects were brilliant and helped bring home a real sense of scale that some of the more recent movies seem to have lost.

On the down side however, I feel Abrams could have gone a bit further down the "serious and gritty path without ruining the movie.

The plot was a little weak
the usual time travel get out of jail free card
although I guess neccesary in order to allow for the reboot.

I thought some of the humour felt too "forced"
Kirks swollen hanRAB and Scotty's willy wonka "stuck in the tube" scene especially.
Other scenes were too light hearted
Kirks Kobiashi Maru scene felt like it was lifted straight from Galaxy Quest - although I guess this could be an intentional injection of irony
I had also hoped that the franchise would steer away from some of the "quick fix" technobable that became the staple of the franchise - but its still there (this may be a good or bad thing depending on your point of view).

Overall I think this movie was enjoyable and will have wide appeal - providing a stay of execution for the franchise, but for how long will depend on how the franchise is progressed from this point. A couple of really solid sequels is what is needed.
 
Aargh! It's the only thing that spoiled the film for me, even the rehashed time travel plot and the "nonscience" treknobabble are forgiveable.

That aside, I went on my lonesome yesterday mid-afternoon and had a thoroughly unashamed good time because the film grabs your attention from the start and keeps it all the way through.

99/100 :cool:
 
No, that's not it at all. There was no debris from the black hole, because it was an implosion, not an explosion. Spock had him removed from the ship after that event had just taken place. The ship at that point was close to Vulcan. A straight line trajectory from Vulcan to the nearest planet would put him on the point of that planet nearest to Vulcan. Spock didn't have time to waste approaching the planet while he was racing back to Earth, so it was the simplest angle to send him. Old Spock would have been dropped at a very similar point on the planet, but for an entirely different reason. It wouldn't be exactly the same point, but close enough to it for him to have seen the landing pod come to the surface and approach it.
 
My God that was a hell of a lot to get through, but I have to say I disagree with you. I'm 21, I've been a Trek fan all my life and I absolutely loved it. Not enough time to cover everything you said, but I'll try.



There was a very clear message in the film about fulfiling your potential, despite having difficult pasts - Kirk growing up without a father and Spock growing up half human/half Vulcan.



I did find this black hole issue slightly confusing, but there is a lot of confusion surrounding black holes generally. However, they were able to escape the black hole at Vulcan as they were basically further from it than the one that destroyed Nero. Also, they didn't just eject the engines. They destroyed them and then rode that shockwave to safety.



He couldn't save Romulus as it was gone in the future, so there was nothing to save. In the 'present' day, the sun wasn't going supernova, so there was nothing to do.



Was there ever a need for it in TOS or the movies? Or possibly Scotty discovered it in between the TOS and the movies? When he retired?



Remember, all that this comes from before the start of TOS, so who says this isn't the way things were before the Star Trek we knew. Maybe that is how the engine room looks, and the they went through a re-design for the Enterprise we know. What was wrong with the design of the Kelvin? And it's more than likely Starfleet picked up Romulan transmissions on subspace, so would intercept them and attempt to learn their language, syntax, grammer etc.



I thought Chris Pine was great as Kirk, and had all his mannerisms down to a tee, espeically one moment when he sat in the captain's chair with his face resting on his hand. Karl Urban was brillant as Bones, but he wasn't sidelined for the reasons you mention. The film was about the relationship between Kirk and Spock. Chekov and Sulu were sidelined too, but I'm sure that they're characters will be explored further in future films.



I'm not too sure what you're saying here but I'll give it a stab. I think what you're saying is that travelling but in time is fine, and in some cases essential, as the actions you carry out in the past mean your future exists..right? Similar to Back To The Future, where Marty introduces his parents to each other. Well, we know this definately shouldn't have happened, as Spock says so. If it was part of history, then it would have been fine. But he has seen the future, and Nero destroying the Kelvin, Kirk's father dying, etc etc etc, never happened in the 'proper' future, therefore we are now on a alternate timeline.
 
Went to see it last night. Not at all bad, despite the LENS FLARE. Seemed to have the heart of Star Trek, with a touch of the pizzazz of Star Wars and some LENS FLARE. The science was, of course, the usual ST nonsense, and the scenes with Spock and Kirk aged 12ish were completely superfluous, as was all the Galactica stlye handheld cam and all the LENS FLARE. But it made an interesting reboot of the series, with enough humour, great performances (the guy who played McCoy was amazing) and pace, without losing the campy bright colours and overarching noble intent of Rodenberry's original concept. Genuinely a dead good film, overall.

Just a shame about all the distracting, mostly artificial LENS FLARE in every sodding shot.
 
Couldnt agree more about Mccoy-spot on for me.

The image of Pike in "The Menagerie" where he could only bleep once for yes twice for no (or the other way around) did come back into my head whilst watching the film.
 
^^ I agree. The film was much better than I was expecting if i'm honest. There were far too many coincidences for my liking though.

Kirk running into the exact same cave that Spock was in, on the same planet that Scotty was on!
 
You gotta love the sheltered lives that some people lead. :p

It's been available from the usual internet flea markets since the third week of September. I know I don't get out much, but even I've known about these places for years. :D
 
I agree that it didn't receive a lot of coverage on the big outlets such as Jonathan Ross, but Radio 1 had a week of interviews with the cast and it was all over the papers too.

I think it's a word of mouth film as well. I went to the IMAX in Glasgow to see it last night. It's not normally that busy, as it's a bit out the way, but it was packed last night.
 
When Sulu first manages to get to warp the shot is looking out of the viewscreen, you can see the top surface of the saucer section (the primary hull) and then you see it stretch as it jumps to warp.
 
Have to admit I thought they'd put it on the bottom. When you see the shot that pans out the viewscreen/window and out across the saucer, the NCC-1701 is oriented the wrong way for it to be on the top of the saucer.
 
Sweezely!, Star Trek is science fiction. The viewer has to strike a balance between science and fiction. It appears you went into this film expecting a science project - it's little wonder you didn't enjoy it as much as others. A degree in physics yet you can't let your imagination run wild for a couple of hours enough to enjoy a good old fashioned science fiction adventure movie. Maybe it's just me, but I find that a bit sad.
 
One question though: Is the Spock/Uhuru thing new to this movie as I don't recall there ever being any feelings between them before?[/QUOTE]


That is because their future has yet to be written because their timeline had been changed by the Romulan.
All those videos/DVD's you bought of the last umpteen episodes will need to be thrown out because most of the episodes wont have happened!
:D
 
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