Star Trek

just for the record:

this is a fuggin awesome film.


you'd better go and see it or else.


I've watched most trek, and was afraid this would just be a crappy Mission Impossible III SFX driven movie or a riff on the previous trek movies. but whilst the film has a lot of SFX, it's got great plot and story to it. (Brannon Braga and Ronald D Moore spoke a few years ago of the need for a shift in trek and that it was tired and needed a jolt to get it going again, I think this film was it.)

There's a bit of Trek science, but for those non trek people, don't be afraid, it's an excellent film regardless. You won't regret it.


Dave.
 
Pretty disappointing I thought

The (few) good points

Spock was an excellent character and amazingly similar to the original

Some nice touches like Sulu being into armed comabat (as per the original)

Nice to see Romulans get a go instead of the usual old Klingons

The (many) bad points

Too much action and special effects. The original series was much more dialogue and plot and less effects. This was more Star Wars than Star Trek

Vulcan appears numerous times in the series yet we are told it was destroyed

Spock and Uhuru having a snog - What's that all about and why was it necessary

Spock's mother dies yet appears in the TV series

Scotty was way over the top

As a bit of fun and if you aren't a fan of the original series it provides a mildly diverting couple of hours. i would say that most people who regard the original series with a little affection (and I don't just mean the geeky types) would be disappointed
 
Don't normally post here, but here goes -


I thought it was ok, some of the casting pretty good.

Plot was pretty weak, and I agree the bad guy needed to be much badder.

Most hated scene of all was the kobyashi maru - the apple thing was an idiotically overdone homage, and the whole feeling was left me thinking kirk is a tit. Surely the whole point of the km was that it established kirk as a pretty cool customer, not as a imature prankster.

I loved the spock & uhura bits, didn't mind scotty and sulu, not keen on chekov nor bones but expect they might grow on me.

I feel a bit uneasy about the timeline thing too though, though it wasn't as bad as I expected.

Just a few of my thoughts.

edit: Just thought I'd hold my hand up and say that I really liked enterprise - just in case anyone wants to take that into consideration - if sentencing is required :p
 
One statement from me, hardcore Trekkies...Alternate timeline. Canon, mistakes, let it go. Cheap shot or not, alternate timeline.

That said. What an awesome movie.
 
Did you honestly not get the "we're on an alternative timeline" thing? They mentioned it numerous times throughout this superb film.
 
Im only guessing but doesnt time slow down when nearing a black hole, therefore while it appeared to us that the ship didnt move very much at all after ejecting the warp core, the prespective from inside the ship might have been that they did start to be pulled back rapidly. Although Im no scientist so I might be talking ferengis bollock

I do agree though, I went to see the film at IMAX and the picture was brilliant but the sound was F*****G AMAZING, it was like being on the deck of an observing ship.:D

Great film, loved the cast I thought they played off each other very well, especially Quinto and Pine, but Urban and Pegg were brilliant in their roles as well.

I couldnt really fault this movie at all, some people comlain the the plot lacked a little but IMO it worked well, they couldn't have too much of a plot as they were establishing the new casts versions of the characters, now that is done then next movie can focus more on the plot and get straight into action.

I d agree with what a lot of people are saying that its the first film in a while that has made me want to see the sequel immediately.
 
I saw it. I loved it. I cried at it.

What a truely superb film. This is probably the best summer blockbuster film I've seen since Spiderman 2, with Iron Man a close second (don't worry, I'm preparing my tin hat for all the 'Dark Knight is better than the Godfather' posters).

I've had a look at a few pages, and there a complaints about the alternative timeline. Blah, blah, blah. JJ Abrams has rescued a franchise that was on its knees (Nemesis: budget
 
Haha! Being a total Trek dork I really wanted to dislike this, but you can't help but not - it's a really really good film! Total 'leave your brain at the door', but there's nothing wrong with that at all.

My only beef was the Uhura/Spock lovey-doveyness - it just seemed out of place. Not from a canon point of view, but purely on a storyline basis and how it didn't fit in with everything else that was going on.

It'll be great to see what they do with this alt-Trek universe :)
 
I think you are making the cardinal sin of applying real-world science to Star Trek. Have you seen the amount of unholy interpretations of quantum singularities that have occured over the years?

You are also making some wild assumptions about the properties of the (completely invented) red matter. They quite clearly showed a mass of red matter particles bouncing around at the end, before they all combined and created a black hole. Seemed fairly clear that they were trying to say that lots of red matter causes bigger, more powerful black holes.

Trek has always been full of both good physics and dodgy physics. When dealing with invented substances, I think we have to assume that 23dr-24th century science is more advanced and our understanding is wrong.

Now if you wanted to criticise bad science in this film, I'm surprised you missed out calling them on the "supernova that threatened the whole galaxy." That one, I thought, was dumb. Particularly if you read the comics and they give greater detail on its behaviour. Add to the fact that creating a black hole on a supernova would have no effect on any material already jettisoned from the star.

If they'd simply named it something new (eg. a sub-space implosion wave or some such) it would have been more acceptable. But we've seen enough supernovae in the real world for the name to not really apply to this thing.



By "engine" I assume you actually mean the warp core. Well, technically, they would have been more out-of-sync with continuity if we had seen a warp core in this film. There never was one in TOS. We could see though to (a matte painting of) an array of injectors or some such devices. In fact, there is a cursory resemblance to the array of tubes we saw Scotty ejecting the core from in this latest film.

As for the engine being a particle accelerator - not really. Its always been a matter/antimatter reaction chamber - where streams of deuterium and anti-deuterium are safely combined by way fo the dilithium crystals, converted into a high-energy plasma and channeled off to the nacelles. Let's be fair - a device like that could lok like whatever you want.



Well, its an assumption either way as to whether they knew about it or not. You could also complain that they were using the TNG-era UFP flag aswell. But I also thought that was clearly because the TNG-era one looks better.

They used the delta symbol on the Starfleet badge on Enterprise, too. Its not as obvious, because its a part of a more detailed patch (and we don't see much of Starfleet throughout Enterprise, either) but it is there.

Heck, perhaps Starfleet adopted the "different emblems for each ship" AFTER this point, then switched back to having the delta symbol for the whole fleet when their designeers failed to come up with decent logos for each ship. There you go - continuity problem solved!




Don't forget the peace negotiations over sub-space radio from the Earth-Romulan wars. That should provide enough detail for Uhura to have learned the language. Let's face it, you've got to assume Starfleet Intelligence would have been keeping tabs on Romulan communication ever since that war.

Let's face it, all Uhura had to do was spend a few hours a night playing with a universal translator and it could have worked out all three dialects without ever having heard the language before (becuase they do that!)



Well the point is that they would have upset a whole lot more people if they had gone with a full reboot. So they took an approach that would - hopefully - meet both sides in the middle.

I honestly don't think this was done to get out of doing research, though. I think it was done to avoid getting bogged down in 40 years of continuity. I read an interview with Trek-Veteran (and new-BSG head) Ron Moore, in which he said how difficult it was getting to write for Star Trek, as it got bogged down under its own continuity.

Just look at how much flak the writers of Enterprise got whenever they bent continuity even slightly. I'd say this "alternate universe" idea was simply a way out of that. Not to avoid research, but to avoid having every little detail critiqued. Whilst you or I might be willing to overlook minor continuity errors for the sake of a good story, the fandom as a whole clearly could not. And it was killing Trek.

However, I do agree it would have been nice to see a straight origin story for TOS - particularly because its the only one of the series that's never had one. I also really liked Captain Pike in this movie and I think it would have been nice to have him remain as Captain a bit longer.
 
Really? I thought Nimoy stole every scene he was in. Watch the shot during the mind meld, as Spock Prime witnesses the destruction of Vulcan. His face effectively portrays a man repressing his emotions, momentarily overcome by the destruction of his world and then regaining his control.

THAT is acting. No lines of dialogue to convey the message, but pure expression that lets us know EXACTLY how the character is reacting.

Nimoy (and Kelley) was always the best actor out of the original cast anyway and its unsurprising - to me, anyway - that'd he'd steal all his scenes.

Heck, his "I have been and always shall be your friend" and "Jim, I just lost my planet. I can tell you...I am emotionally compromised" lines had me holding back the tears. There was nothing hammy about his performance at all.

All the actors were great in this film, but I personally feel that Nimoy owned them all in his few scenes. The man played it perfectly.
 
Went to see this last Friday. I'm not a Trekkie but I enjoyed the trailer. And what a movie!!! I thought the impressions of the characters were well crafted and they all came across well. Quinto especially is very good as Spock.

I thought Simon Pegg was actually quite funny even if the accent was dodgy to say the least.
 
I've been a Trekiee for about 12 years now.


Went to see it at the weekend, after the first 10 mins I thought it was average, by the end of the film I thought it was good now after I mulled it over I think it was amazing! Cant wait to buy the novel.:)
 
I went to see it this afternoon and thought it was great. I agree with all of you who praised Keith Urban as Bones. He had the nuances just right, as did Zachary Quinto as Spock. All of them were good but these two were outstanding.
 
More of the average joe-public neeRAB to be brought around to see this film- I thought it was really good and I aint a Trekkie only seen the original shows back in the day and one or two films.. or should I say parts of.

The Cinema I went to was pretty empty however (friday night 7pm) and full of nerRAB. Nothing compared to a couple of weeks before Wolverine (shit film) at the same time.

Not a real buzz going around about this move in the main stream. Haven't seen many TV specials like they do on Channel 4 / itv etc with the likes of Wolverine or 007. There doesn't seem to be much hype about it or things in the Papers etc.

Theres loaRAB of stuff YouTube about the other summer films Wolverene and Terminator but Star Trek seems sidelined.

No were near the attention of other long running Big franchises like a new James Bond movie or Star Wars etc. I guess Star Trek in the past has been so disappointing and came crashing down in such a boring geek fest that its image has been tarnished badly. Although this film really does get out of this mess - I'm getting the feeling people aren't bothered.
 
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