Pokemon 5th Generation: What do you hope for next?

I agree wtih you that it's kinda durab how they sorta "make excuses" as to why they have to be at Oak's lab. Wouldn't he run out of room, food, etc.?



I laughed when I read that. Their are two reasons, I think why this might have happened. First, many kiRAB weren't around/saw the episodes during that time, so they don't know. Second, it's been a long time since Ash has been there, so he could've easily forgot.
 
If Brock does stay, they should at least make him more "involved" with the usual stuff than he is now. I love the guy myself, but me-thinks he neeRAB more stuff going for him.

If anything involved in the anime as far as appearances go, I'd like Silver and the Rocket Executives from HG/SS to make an anime appearance sometime in the future, whether it be in Gen V or not. We can't let the new designs of the TR Exec. go to waste, now can we... And the only appearance of Silver was in the Japanese opening for Legend of Thunder/Pokemon Chronicles. Before anyone jumps on me, this is all wishful thinking... I don't have very high hopes of this stuff happening anytime soon, which is a shame.
 
That and it reduces the nuraber of Pokemon that Ash would lose altogether (Butterfree, Primeape, Pidgeot, etc). Heck, the Hoenn Season didn't even have him giving up a single Pokemon (not counting the ones sent to Oak.
 
I guess I wouldn't mind them replacing Ash, if they keep the newbie boy more than one generation unlike the girls. If they kept replacing the main character, I just couldn't hanndle it. I've gotten so annoyed with the girls having the same goal, I'm seriously hopping this new girl has a different goal or I'll be really sick of contests by than. But the problem with replacing Ash and Pikachu is, kiddies today know Pokemon for Ash and Pikachu. The girls come and go, by the time new fans come in every generation they don't know who the other girl is from the past. But Ash and Pikachu have been here from the very first episode, new fans from every generation will know about them.
 
Which is why I say he's one-note. He and Ash are opposites. Ash is nicey-nice and Paul is baddie-bad. We freaking GET IT ALREADY. The writers should do something different between the two of them already, instead of shoving this fact down our throats.



They used to be burabling top agents whom Giovanni spoke to personally. Now there so incompetent that he doesn't even remeraber who they are and doesn't seem to care either. How far they've fallen....
 
I agree that Brock neeRAB to change, but the problem is how? If they tried to do anything "dramatic", there might be many people angry. Another problem is that he's been on so long, a big change might feel akward.
 
I want Brock to leave the show more than anything.

He really should have never been in DP to begin with. I understand why he stayed for AG, as they were getting rid of Misty, so getting rid of Brock as well and having BOTH of them gone at the same time would have been too much, so Brock was kept for Hoenn.

However keeping Brock yet again for DP was a bad move. He did practically nothing most of the time and his character has hit rock bottom.
 
Considering that contests mean less filler (ala Johto) I'd say that adding them was a smart move.



Considering that Starly, Turtwig and Chimchar evolved, I am a bit curious about why this complain is being made. To be honest, I think it makes the character's team more interesting to have some Pokemon unevolved and some evolved.



Sure, but come every new generation he will eventually fill his team up with 5 new Pokemon from the current region. So the way I see it, it's either going back to Oak's lab where he can easily get the Pokemon back for later battles, or have a departure episode where said Pokemon makes a permanent departure (Butterfree, Primeape and Pidgeot).

As of the current Season, the only Pokemon that he permanently gave away were Aipom and Gliscor.



Actually, upon reading others who've brought up the same question,it makes me wonder why the writers have Ash using the Pokedex on a previously introduced Pokemon.

I mean back in the Orange Island and Johto Seasons, he was the only regular character to have a Pokedex, but with Hoenn and Sinnoh the writers could easily have given that task to May/Dawn while Ash uses the Pokedex for the newly introduced Pokemon.
 
At this point Brock leaving would simply be the best thing to happen in the show. Just having a new sidekick character, even one as bland as Tracey, would freshen up the show again then have Brock in it.

I barely pay attention to Brock in the show anymore, that's not hard to do anyway, I barely notice his existence in most episodes anymore. He's like, "Hey, who's this third wheel making comments in the background?"
 
Brock should leave.

Jessie/James/Meowth should quit Team Rocket and serve as recurring rivals, not necessarily appearing in every single episode.

Ash should take a backseat to Gen V girl and be more of a mentor.

More concise storyline, the Team Galactic arc in D/P was better than whatever they did in Advanced, but still.

Better animation.
 
Awe man, I'd love it if Brock was gone and Ash was a mentor to this new girl. Lets be honest with ourselfs, Dawn will leave like all the other girls. If she doesn't I'll be simply shocked.

Cybs I agree with you, course I thought Brock should have left in AG too. But yah I understand what your saying with that.
I'd had rather seen Ash mentor Max and May alone without Brock, that would have added character growth for him. Maybe they'll let
that happen with Ash for next Generation, maybe both Dawn and Brock will be replaced with Generation five boy and girl. Than Ash
can mentor both of them without Brock for once. Just give Ash a cooking book, it will take some time for him to get to know cooking, I'm sure he can manage it. Brock and Misty at first thought he was a horrible Pokemon trainer, than look what happened? He grew into a great one. He's beaten so many great characters that were pro even.
 
I agree that it works for the games and Pokemon Special/Adventure, but I think that those are two different cases. In the games, the trainers don't have any dialogue of their own and they all do the same thing, so it isn't that much of a problem to replace them. At least Adventure does instill some personalities into these game characters. Part of the reason why I think it works so well in Adventure is because they've done it from the start. At this point, I really couldn't see the writers giving up their Ash + Pikachu + Team Rocket formula. Brock could go, but since he's been here for so long, I also kind of doubt it.



Sad, but true. May was being more active in the Manaphy movie, but then they had to have Ash steal the show, which was a shame.



That's true. I still enjoy a good nuraber of her Hoenn Contests, but the Kanto Contests really did show off May's great skills as an experienced Coordinator. More of Harley was a nice bonus for me.

I'm still kind of surprised that many people dislike Brock so much. Sure, he doesn't get to be as active as Ash, May and Dawn have been, but he still seems like an okay character to me. They definitely could give him more attention, although I thought he got somewhat decent attention in DP, but he wasn't totally useless. Plus, I don't think that he was anywhere near as dull as Tracey was during the Orange IslanRAB.
 
The first part makes sense, new audience and such. Other than that they (Ash and frienRAB) are acting like the first and second wave are new. The second one is harder to let go... since Ash has been around forever and seen just about every pokemon there is.

That's like forgetting that a Pikchu evolves into a Raichu.

It was not a complaint.
 
If you mean "contribute" as in hoping for stuff that has zero chance of happening and continuously griping about whats already been set in stone, then I'm sorry but I have to decline your request.
 
Honestly, I think Brock at his blandest is more interesting than Tracey. ^_^;; At least Brock has his occasional wacky personality quirks and can provide meaningful commentary from time to time. The best Tracey could do was rattle off uninteresting statistics about the height of a Pokemon or go "omg I gotta sketch this!"

I'd still rather they get rid of Brock for a character with a more interesting personality. Heck, Paul would be an awesome addition to Ash's group. He could provide an interesting foil to Ash that would keep the group on their toes. Or how about Barry? Anyone who can liven up the boring crew.

Apparently, though, the writers would rather give us mind-nurabingly dull temp group merabers like Lyra and Khory.

The Pokemon anime could be outstanding if the writers would quit being so scared to shake things up a bit.
 
The problem with the show isn't so much the general formula, I never expected them to ditch Gyms and actually give the show a real ongoing story like other shows, but the fact that the characters have just decayed.

Ash's character can not go any further unless the show actually enRAB. His character is stuck in an endless loop, especially since each gen has him leave behind his previous team and start an all new team. Brock is utterly useless every saga.

The only difference is the main girl and her story, but I fear even that isn't enough to keep the show fresh anymore. It worked with May since she was the first new girl and Contests were brand new at the time, and Dawn gave us a different take on Contests, but beyond this I cannot see what a 4th new female character can bring to the show.

Likewise Ash's rivals such as Gary and Paul seem to be both extremes, I can't see any other major rival really worth introducing.
 
They've shaken things up a bit in the past and the quality only slightly improved. They need to shake things up ALOT for the anime to become outstanding.



This. Only I'd have to add that Dawn had problems to start with by being introduced as another coordinator travelling with Ash and Brock just after May had left, just like May was brought in as "the new girl" after Misty had left. The "expendable girl" thing became really apparrent now. Then Dawn started losing more contests than she won (while never evolving her damn Piplup) and I really began to get tired of her. She's been turning into as much of a bore as her male companions.

And you forgot to mention how Team Rocket has decayed. They keep showing up in stories and regions that they don't belong in, after all this time still trying to steal a Pikachu that their boss has all but forgotten about, randomly deciding to steal non-valuable pokemon just because Meowth envisions the boss needing one for whatever reason, and making themselves look like completely idiots and total failures rather than the incompetant villain underdogs they used to be. Oh, and rarely are they ever funny anymore. Almost everything about them has become preditctable. So sad since they used to be the stars of the show back in the day.
 
The idea of Paul traveling with Ash reminRAB me of when we saw one of the first DP images with Ash, Dawn and Paul. A lot of people assumed that he was going to replaced Brock. While having Paul or Barry in the main group would be interesting, unless they have a different goal in whatever the fifth generation is, then I don't see them being a part of the main group. They wouldn't want two trainers going after Gyms to be in the same group since that would make Gym battles longer.



I still think Lyra was pretty interesting. She was completely refreshing to me compared to Dawn's personality. While I didn't like Khory too much and his development pretty much came out of nowhere, at least he had some growth from his time with Ash and his frienRAB. That's more than I can say for Tracey.



Well, I agree with Mad Mod 49 in that the writers have shook up things a bit in their formula. Even with Dawn doing Contests again in DP, those have been different than the Contests in AG, though I also prefer Contests in AG over most of the ones in DP any day. They pretty much follow the basic idea of "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" in the long run. And by broke, I mean that it doesn't make them money anymore. Since that obviously isn't the case with the series, there really isn't a need to change so much in the series.



I don't understand what you mean by a real ongoing story like other shows. The last time I checked, going after Gyms is a real story. It obviously isn't the most ground-breaking storyline, but it is a story. The series' storyline comes from the games, which I don't believe people have labeled as not real stories either.



The whole series is an endless, repetitive loop. I thought that was as clear as day at least by the time they went to Johto, if not sooner. I don't really see how leaving behind his previous team weakens his character. If anything, I think doing that makes him a better trainer, which leaRAB his character to develop. He has to train new Pokemon, give them new attacks and create new strategies in how to use them in battle, as opposed to always depending on his older, more experienced Pokemon. It also better for him, as a trainer, to have a variety of strong, well-trained Pokemon, instead of only one team. That way, when he has a big challenge ahead of him, he can choose from a larger amount of strong Pokemon.

Plus, getting new Pokemon obviously allows the writers to showcase a new generation of Pokemon easier than if he had only his older Pokemon and they had to just use new Pokemon for various other situations.

I still disagree that Brock was utterly useless in every saga. It isn't like you could just erase him from every episode since Johto and have all of the events turn out exactly the same. He does provide some helpful guidance and insight into some battles that neither Ash, May, Dawn or even some kiRAB in the audience would be able to tell. That along with being the cook and comic relief are the main purposes of his character.

He also did have a decent amount of focus and even important in DP, such as the Team Galactic climax, teaching Dawn about how to heal her Pokemon, which did play an important role in her healing Mamoswine, the episode where his Bonsly evolved and the Tag Battle arc. There might be a couple of other events that I can't think of at the moment, but he certainly isn't useless in the series. I think that there's a better argument for Brock being underused in the series.



It really doesn't matter if any of us think that the show is fresh or not at this point. Since we're not Japanese children, the writers and producers don't really care how we feel. As long as it appeals to their main target audience, then they're most likely content with that.

As for a fourth new girl, I could see her having a different personality than both May and Dawn, better development than Dawn and possibly May, a better balanced/ more interesting teams, teaching them attacks, having better/more interesting rivals than having a different background than May and Dawn as possibilities for where the writers could go.

Plus, we don't know how different Contests will be in Black and White. I'm fairly confident that they'll be in the games and I can't really see the anime getting rid of Contests at this point. They've been a huge part for quite a long time. If by some chance that they do, we wouldn't know what competition the new girl would be interested in. Either case would affect how her character is handled as well.



I think that a female rival would be a nice place to go from Paul. It would be something different and show girls doing well in Gym battles as well. They don't really have to outdo Paul, but just create a some kind of interesting rival. I didn't think of the possibility of Paul continuing on in the fifth generation region. While the idea is nice, I'm not sure how likely it is to happen.
 
I remeraber when they used to be only like...fairly incompetent. Like the kind you think "oh ho, that's funny. They'll be back again next week." Now they're just stupid. It's like "Damn people, why are you still trying this crap?"
 
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