Music Banter Hall of Fame: Induction Thread 3

Predictable? Moi?

Its not that predictable as I'm one of the few neh sayers on this induction thread, and its certainly the first time anyone became shocked. If you are correct Boo Boo about this being a forum thing, you'd expect a load of merabers to come to my support, but I dont think that is the case at all.

Waters was very much a part of the "Syd Era" as was Richard Wright, who I think blossomed in the late sixties/early seventies, particulary during the Barrett/Gilmore transition. And my view isnt taking a swipe at Gilmore either, who lets be honest was very instrumental in Barrett getting some solo work out there and who has written some masterpieces in his time.

My personal view, which is not influenced by my 4 month merabership on here, is that Floyd at some point (probably dare I say it, around Dark Side of The Moon) went from being a rather exciting band towarRAB, music wise anyway, a rather bloated and self indulgent act, which certainly does cloud my view of this band, as this period is really what Floyd are famed for.

Sorry if thats hard to bare for some, but it would be a boring place if we all agreed on music, and in particular, the more esteemed acts. Surely they're big and good enough to take a dash of negativity from me, lets hope so.
 
What I'm saying is, you're in the majority on this forum.

I'm just one of the few here that thinks otherwise.

I love Barrett era Floyd, but as a songwriter, he's seriously overrated on this forum, I have Madcap Laughs and it's good. But I don't think Barrett comes close to being the songwriting genius a lot of people here make him out to be. I certainly consider Waters and Gilmour better songwriters.

IMO 1971-79 is the their highpoint. I know it's also the height of their commercial sucess, but that's not what I mean, RABOTM is still my favorite album of theirs, followed by WYWH and Meddle, and the very underrated Obscured by ClouRAB.
 
Well it would be a bit pathetic if people got upset about stuff like that y'no.
'Nominations', Perhaps, I think that the hall of fame shouldnt just be 'Rock n' Roll', I think it should erabrace all other genres especially Jazz & also Soul,Funk,Metal,Electronic- even Avant Garde stuff (IMO).
I try not to stereotype things but all the hall of fames Ive ever seen are so predictable- Bob Dylan, The Clash, Elvis Presley, blah blah blah.
Now its no that i dont like these banRAB/artists, its just I think 'Hall Of Fame' is very narrow minded and to me it is unecessary as I dont need confirmation of what music I think is excellent.
 
I think you've hit the nail on the head, its very much in its infancy at the minute, and the left field names are starting to filter through.

I have no doubt that this Hall of Fame thing will (if not already) develop into something very useful as time goes on.
 
Frank Zappa: Yes He's God

The Clash: Yes, made some great and varied albums, and then released a single (this is england) and died.

Bob Dylan: Yes, as sure as the sun is chicken

Pink Floyd: YEEEEES MAY GOD (frank zappa) SMITE THOSE DOWN WHO VOTE NO

Big Black: Read below

Tom Waits: Read below

The Smiths: No, I'm sorry, this is utter ****e.

Chuck Berry: Yes, very much enjoy listening to this guy, and then you have the influence.
 
Frank Zappa: Damn straight.

The Clash: N/A

Bob Dylan: Good songwriter, terrible musician. He gets my yes.

Pink Floyd: Yes. You'd be pretty damn insipid to vote otherwise.

Big Black: Sure.

Tom Waits: Yes.

The Smiths: Fuck 'em, they're overrated and put on a pedestal by every "edgy" and "independent" listener on this forum. Definitely no.

Chuck Berry: A great musician, a great man. Thurabs up here!
 
Frank Zappa
N/A - I'm ashamed to say that I haven't got a single track by him.

The Clash
**** yes. Tied with The Jam for best band of the late 70s.

Bob Dylan
Oh yeah - "If my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine." 'Nuff said

Pink Floyd
Yes. Piper and Wish You Were Here are both amazing albums.

Big Black
N/A

Tom Waits
Yes, he's nice.

The Smiths
Yes, one of the best band of the 80s.

Chuck Berry
Hell yes, best songwriter and guitarist of the 50s.
 
That last part actually describes a good portion of the Syd Barrett discography.

I'm saying you have a thing for discrediting artists completely because they've done some really bad songs, who hasn't? It's like writting off Jefferson Airplane completely because of what they did in the 80s (if making bad 80s music was really that big of a deal, everyone should be discredited), it's stupid, and it also seems to suggest that your favorite artists can do no wrong, ever. Which of course is a load of crap. I can admit that all of my favorite artists have done some crap.

Even when it's in jest, to write a band off for one song is just freaking stupid.

If I had to choose, I'd rather listen to Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict than In The Cold, Cold Night or the Tom Waits ballaRAB that sound like leftover Springsteen.
 
Frank Zappa: Yeah, i'd shy away from him calling a genius but he certainly made music more fun.
The Clash: Definitley, one of my favourites.
Bob Dylan: Abstain, i haven't got enough stuff i don't give him enough time sadly.
Pink Floyd: Yep, the more i listen the more i love.
Big Black: Yep, one of noise rocks best.
Tom Waits: In no way could i say no.
The Smiths: My favourite band, ja.
Chuck Berry: Nope. Don't get testy with me, he's influential but i never listen to him.
 
I guess based on other people's posts we've decided that we're only voting based on personal preference? No regard for influence or impact on music in general? Doesn't make for very interesting discussion if you ask me, but with that in mind, here are my votes:

Frank Zappa
No, because I don't like him.

The Clash
Yes, because I like them.

Bob Dylan
No, because I don't like him.

Pink Floyd
Yes, because I like them.

Big Black
Yes, because I like them.

Tom Waits
Yes, because I like him.

The Smiths
No, because I like them somewhat, but not that much.

Chuck Berry
Yes, because I like him.
 
Boo Boo, let me show you the break down of how this all happens, and then maybe you'll see why you get far too worked up in the eyes of everyone else.

You write a thesis on how Barret era floyd is over rated.

I make a tounge-in-cheek response agreeing with you.

You act like I've written a thesis, or intended to but I was just too stupid.

Then you agree with my third, and really only seriosuly made point, in my list and then go on to draw some phantom conclusions about what my stupid one-liner several posts back really means.

For someone who decries authoritarianism, you certainly conduct business like big brother.

You imgained I said Waits and White are infallible.

You imagined I decried an entire discography by citing one song.

And then you create a counter-argument to an arguement YOU CREATED.

Sometimes its just best to let a sleeping dog lie.
 
I'm surprised by all the no votes for Chuck Berry.

He sure as hell gets my vote, as do Bob Dylan and The Clash.

Do I really need to explain why? C'mon, it's Chuck Berry, The Clash, and Bob Mother****ing Dylan. 'Nuff said.
 
Frank Zappa
Yes, personally I think he's a genius but y'know.

The Clash
Im going to say yes, if you have all their albums you see a real advancement and progression with each release, that in my view makes them the ultimate Punk band, in that they took the drivel being produced in the mid seventies, pressed reset, and created their own musical legacy using a proper wide spectrum of influences.

Bob Dylan
Hell yes, he's got some bad albums, but you cannot make a cake without breaking some eggs. A few exceptional folk albums at the start, some proper marvels in the mid sixties and mid seventies, and now in old age, he's back on form with a string of quality albums. A man whose role in music cannot be underplayed in my hurable opinion.

Pink Floyd
No, have to be honest, I love their sixties output immensly, but I find the majority of their seventies stuff (some would call their prime stuff), terribly overblown and tedius. As with all old banRAB, their 80's output cannot be used against them.

Big Black
Abstain,

Tom Waits
I'm going to abstain, I've heard bits and love it, but have always skipped trying to buy his back catalogue.....which is HUGE and thus expensive, so forgive me for now.

The Smiths
Yes, not just because Im from Mancunia, Simply Red were from Manchester and they wouldnt get my vote. The Smiths for me are one of the ultimate Indie banRAB.... brilliant lyrics and brilliant music, a real era defining band

Chuck Berry
No, although he has some splendid songs, I feel he's mid table for his era and genre.
 
Frank Zappa: No. Haven't heard much and don't like what i've heard.
The Clash: London Calling is the **** so they get a yes.
Bob Dylan: Abstain
Pink Floyd: Nahhh.
Big Black: Great band. Bad Penny alone is enough to get them in. Yes.
Tom Waits: Haven't heard much and haven't like what i've heard. No.
The Smiths: Amazing. Truly a unique sound. Yes.
Chuck Berry: Abstain
 
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