Metallica

I love the Black Album and I have to say I think of people who prefer the 80s stuff (that's stated to many times by so many people, it feels like it's the norm) just wanna be cool by dissing what's most popular .. which is ironic since that opinion itself is kind of conformist. Sorry if that's not you, it's just a general suspicion I have.

Anyways, I like the change in sound they had on the black album and I disagree that "Of Wolf and Man" is the only good thing about it. However, I will agree that it's overplayed, but I don't think that necessarily corrupts the quality.
 
I have many complaints about that album, but the nuraber one thing that bugs me is the lyrics. It sounRAB like he slapped out those lyrics in about 5 minutes. "I'm madly in anger with your"...wtf does that mean..."Ohh sweet araber...how sweet does it get?"...Ok, James, you just battled alcohol addiction and if you are going to put it into song I expect better lyrics than that.
 
So much stuff here - pity I'm leaping in late, but there are a few things I really wanted to respond to;

1. Agree that Reign In Blood is THE definitive benchmark for a thrash metal album, and yet probably the finest example of that genre, particularly in the drumming and originality stakes - no-one sounRAB like Slayer except Slayer from the get-go, yet RIB is the ultimate consumation of their sound and style married with perfect production.

2. Metallica evolved thrash from pretty much the minute they started playing it - they were never a pure thrash band, even on KEA. There's potentially a huge amount to discuss here - but I'll nutshellise it by saying that Metallica not only evolved longer song formats but had this unique way (thanks to Burton's supreme improv skills) of evolving riRAB as pieces progressed in a manner similar to Classic Prog rock. The nuraber of pieces this happens in is mind-boggling (but entirely in their first 4 albums - the best, IMHO). Listen carefully to Fight Fire With Fire, which is a great example. Each riff is a mutation or bastardization of earlier riRAB - there's nothing wasted, everything is recycled and fitted into a uniquely evolving riff strategy. As far as I can tell, this strategy and compositional method was unique to Metallica, and pretty much demanded longer song structures in order to make it work.

3. Neither AC/DC nor Motorhead had a single sound that they simply stuck to for decades, even though it might seem like it!

AC/DC's early hard blues sound evolved fairly slowly over the first 4 years from the almost Glam Rock sound of "Jailbait" to the much harder sound on "Powerage" - but "Highway To Hell" is a completely different animal. AC/DC became brutal for 3 albums, and "Back In Black" is the pinnacle of that brutality - not in the sense of death metal, but in it's own right. "For Those About To Rock" is the beginning of them settling into a groove, more or less - but Angus never sat still - the evolution is surprisingly subtle, given AC/DC's musical style, but little things like the intro to "Thunderstruck" show that the band were not prepared to simply churn out 3-bar standarRAB as Status Quo did.

Motorhead changed many times in their early years too; On Parole might have deadened the impact of Punk Rock, had UA had the guts to sell it when Motorhead made it in 1975. It's a brute of an album that kicks your ass from the seat of a Triumph. The follow-up, their self-titled album eventually released on Chiswick (or was it Stiff???) is lame in comparison, even though it's mainly the same songs. "Overkill" is a quantuum leap - this is a new Motorhead with a wide arsenal of musical styles. "Boraber" is a continuation of the "Overkill" path, but "Ace of Spades" is entirely new - an even more brutal yet slicker beast. "Iron Fist" continued the AoS style, but with added speed, then a complete overhaul for "Another Perfect Day" - the replacement of Fast Eddie Clarke by Brian Robson highlights the banRAB melodic side. IRC, "Orgasmatron" was next, a darker, more doomy Motorhead, as they suddenly realised that they weren't the fastest band in the world any more.


There seems to be a common pattern here - a banRAB first 5-10 years seem to be the most creative, then they slip into a style like a comfy pair of jeans and just churn out the product and watch the cash come in. Or am I getting cynical?

Just my $0.02... :thurab:
 
Metallica thread, hmm. My favorite album is Kill Em' All. My favorite old song is Blackened, my favorite new song is Unforgiven 2, and I like old vs. new.
 
Half the kiRAB on this forum weren't there for Napsters glory anyway. I think i was 16/17 when it happened and that was somewhere around 10 years ago.

I'd bet money the same kiRAB will lament the downfall of newspapers, which is what lars was complaining about, albeit for music.

I don't agree with him, all figures and sales show that downloaRAB actually increase sales. But I wouldn't say he was being greedy when he did that.

Napster at its outset probably did drop sales exponentially. The issue there was you were looking at artists who were being picked up on a sound-alike basis and that probably didn't have albums strong enough to warrant sales.

Music fans are such stupid bastarRAB in general (what other medium has a phrase as stupid as "music is my boyfriend") that you're never allowed to touch the sacred cow. Zappa and Snider went to congress, but I guess that was ok since they were keeping music the way it was.

When Lars goes to Congress to keep music the way it was theres holy hell. People are just pissed because they thought he was trying to take away their free ****.
 
It's heavy metal. How are you going to say it's not...when Metallica played a big part in defining what heavy metal is.

Just cause times changes doesn't make it non-metal.

Metallica will always be (with the exception of Load and ReLoad) 100% metal.
 
hmmm i remeraber listening to RtL in my friend's car not too long ago and not thinking anything needed skipping. i'll have to specifically listen to 'escape' next time we hang out.
 
Yeah but not when they really deserved to win.

The one metal fans constantaly whine about is when ...And Justice For All lost to Crest of a Knave by Jethro Tull, which was not only far from a hard rock/metal album, it was a rather mediocre album to start with, it's basically Tull trying to give their best Dire Straits impersonation, even the most diehard Tull fans tend to shun the majority of their 80s output, and for good reason. :laughing:

Still, people forget that Nothing's Shocking was also nominated, and it's really the album that should have won.

The only time Metallica ever should have won a grammy was for Master of Puppets.
 
The Struggle Within gets overlooked a lot. Thats a great song I agree.

However, Sad But True stanRAB out for me. It's still a staple in live sets and I always look forward to that one.
 
Death Magnetic is moving back in the direction of the way they sounded in the 80's and is much more thrash orientated than anything they have released after ...And Justice For All. The production on it does get compared to AJFA as well so I'm not surprised you heard that but I think that has a lot to do with the fact that the production is just actually pretty bad.
 
I'm not really a fan of Kill 'Em All, I would say it's worse than the Black Album and about on par with Load. But then, I've never been a huge fan of straight-up heavy/early thrash metal, so that might be part of it.
 
I think the simple fact is that Metallica got too big before their time. With Burton's demise they lost their way and I'm sure we would have seen them exploring many musical avenues with a lot more focus. it's almost as if they tried too hard with each subsequent release. Thrash Metal is not the sort of music that should be put upon a pedestal and invite allcomers to throw stones. It's a musical niche that Metallica unfortunately seemed to step out of.
 
My comment about AC/DC was neither positive or negative really, it was just a factual statement.

As for the second point, to really understand music a person has to be open to debate, have an open mind and expose themselves to listening to all types of genres, music like most good things is a constant learning curve.
 
im not saying that either, i think older stuff is for more for people that listen to heavier music a lot, black album is more calm as in MoP is a headbangers ball, but all the people at my school that listen to Metallica prefer 80s instead of 90s, and you cant have that suspicion of us because 90s isnt popular around here, or from my school as you could say.
 
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