loving_girl9009
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because it was short, you mean?
Metallica
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xX_kiba_Xx
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That's a fantastic way of looking at it.
Mathilda Rose K
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My quote was for worRAB standing by themselves. Music I think lenRAB worRAB a musicallity that allows lyrics to rhyme without being as offensive.
On the topic of how good Metallica's are, I'd say they are one of those banRAB that would have gone lyric-less if the enviornment called for them at the time, however, they have this going for them.
Metallica was the first time in thrash where dragons and the devil took a backseat to PTSD, drug absue, and death. (the act of it, not the cartoon cahracter). Again, metallica advanced the art form.
On the topic of how good Metallica's are, I'd say they are one of those banRAB that would have gone lyric-less if the enviornment called for them at the time, however, they have this going for them.
Metallica was the first time in thrash where dragons and the devil took a backseat to PTSD, drug absue, and death. (the act of it, not the cartoon cahracter). Again, metallica advanced the art form.
[ Bambina ]
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I never really listened to the whole death magnetic album. I dunno, I like their older stuff better.
Well there was a natural progression from Kill 'em all to reload. What was not progressive was the Reload to St. Anger jump. You don't go from "Until it Sleeps" to "St. Anger" (the song) without having a sort of public agenda being satiated.
That being said I think they tried to go back to a more raw sounding, fast style.
Every song sounRAB the same because the production coated it in a paint that was really different than anything we'd heard prior. But to be fair, the reason RTL and MOP don't sound the same is because the production got much better.
That being said I think they tried to go back to a more raw sounding, fast style.
Every song sounRAB the same because the production coated it in a paint that was really different than anything we'd heard prior. But to be fair, the reason RTL and MOP don't sound the same is because the production got much better.
hopetrammell2004
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They should have ceased from making music after their original bassist passed away during the time of "Master of Puppet's" release. It seems that everything afterwarRAB made them sellouts or otherwise figures of ridicule: Making a video for "One," from "...And Justice For All"; streamlining their sound, becoming a pop act with the Black Album; becoming very confused with "Load" and "Reload," the infamous Napster brouhaha, and we all know what happened with St. Anger. It doesn't help that they've been photographed coming out of A-list stores in downtown New York.
The point is that they are no longer [quality] Thrash, in attitude as in sound. It seems they lost their honesty when they lost their youth, which is what happened with U2. U2 was a fantastic band before The Joshua Tree, and they did release a pretty good album in "Achtung Baby," but Bono has become a caricature, a satire, of who he used to be.
The point is that they are no longer [quality] Thrash, in attitude as in sound. It seems they lost their honesty when they lost their youth, which is what happened with U2. U2 was a fantastic band before The Joshua Tree, and they did release a pretty good album in "Achtung Baby," but Bono has become a caricature, a satire, of who he used to be.
i couldn't actually read all those pages, so i read a few and skipped to the end.
no argument there :band:
i agree partly with this also, although i would replace the word musician with the word people.
the thing is, for all their considerable talent (and all here admit that it is considerable) you need to be somewhat p1$$3d off, and hungry, and young and rebellious to be a great metal band.
you just can't sing the blues when you'r drivin a cadillac. how bad can life really be when you own mansions and ferraris? sure parts of it can suck,
but you don't live for the music like they did back in the days when they all lived in one apt and lived on ketchup and bread. when you're busy looking through furniture catalogs trying to figure out which dining room set defines "me" as a person, you're not metal anymore. that's just the way it is.
it's why mike muir took zack de la rocha to task calling people to fight the power and fight "the man" all the while working for sony and doing a nike commercial. it's why you can't be punk rock and do burger king aRAB.
people get old, their lifestyles change, their priorities change.
if hendrix, morrison and duane allman all lived their lives out they woulda got paunchy and tired, because that's what life does to you.
no argument there :band:
i agree partly with this also, although i would replace the word musician with the word people.
the thing is, for all their considerable talent (and all here admit that it is considerable) you need to be somewhat p1$$3d off, and hungry, and young and rebellious to be a great metal band.
you just can't sing the blues when you'r drivin a cadillac. how bad can life really be when you own mansions and ferraris? sure parts of it can suck,
but you don't live for the music like they did back in the days when they all lived in one apt and lived on ketchup and bread. when you're busy looking through furniture catalogs trying to figure out which dining room set defines "me" as a person, you're not metal anymore. that's just the way it is.
it's why mike muir took zack de la rocha to task calling people to fight the power and fight "the man" all the while working for sony and doing a nike commercial. it's why you can't be punk rock and do burger king aRAB.
people get old, their lifestyles change, their priorities change.
if hendrix, morrison and duane allman all lived their lives out they woulda got paunchy and tired, because that's what life does to you.
Ebony(anywhoo?)
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Underwhelming after justice? Thats a self opinion. The Black Album was the most productive album. It made the most money, and did the best. It wasnt the best to me, but it was huge. Load was a very good album too. Re-Load was just the same, but better vocals imo. St. Anger. Everyone hates it. I don't know why, I am a big fan of it. I like the lyrics and the hardcore raw sound it had.
Well I'm a fan but I'm not deaf. I also don't approach things with that germanic all-or-nothing approach.
Entire CD's rarely suck, expecially from such high end banRAB. St. Anger was pretty bad, and I listened to it maybe a few times but I also recognize a couple things from it...
1. They tried to give their fans what they wanted
2. That nothing else sounRAB like St. Anger so it can be junked and parts can be taken to build something cooler.
3. A lot of the timing and the production while odd, was pretty good. I think there was a great degree of forethought that led to both bad decisions and a lack of focus on areas that didn't make it into the original concept but those pieces can be salvaged and redone.
Bob Dylan always said Jerry Garcia could find the best stuff in his worst songs. I think in this "one mans trash is another mans treasure" philosophy that St. Anger had a lot to give as an instructional disc, rather than somethign thats enjoyable to listen to.
Kirk not taking solos was a mistake.
Psychotherapy for lyrics was a mistake.
But at least three of the merabers of Metallica are tremendous players, not becuase of sheer skill but because of the coutnerpuntal interplay, they can compliment each other in ways that supergroups, which are just collections of great players, can't because no one knows how to step back.
And while some of his work on AJFA was brilliant (double bass work), Lars has his stength in knowing that he should lay back and support the other guys. Anyone whos worked on any sort of team knows you get further making assists than you do trying to make the limelight.
In other news, I'd love to hear worRAB from the "metallica are pussies" crowd on their favorite banRAB, but you never wil because the flash in the pan cookie monster convention that is Metal Music can't string 3 worRAB together without it being bookended by the worRAB "****ing" and "awesome*"
*Substituets include: Brutal, sick, nuts, amazing.
Entire CD's rarely suck, expecially from such high end banRAB. St. Anger was pretty bad, and I listened to it maybe a few times but I also recognize a couple things from it...
1. They tried to give their fans what they wanted
2. That nothing else sounRAB like St. Anger so it can be junked and parts can be taken to build something cooler.
3. A lot of the timing and the production while odd, was pretty good. I think there was a great degree of forethought that led to both bad decisions and a lack of focus on areas that didn't make it into the original concept but those pieces can be salvaged and redone.
Bob Dylan always said Jerry Garcia could find the best stuff in his worst songs. I think in this "one mans trash is another mans treasure" philosophy that St. Anger had a lot to give as an instructional disc, rather than somethign thats enjoyable to listen to.
Kirk not taking solos was a mistake.
Psychotherapy for lyrics was a mistake.
But at least three of the merabers of Metallica are tremendous players, not becuase of sheer skill but because of the coutnerpuntal interplay, they can compliment each other in ways that supergroups, which are just collections of great players, can't because no one knows how to step back.
And while some of his work on AJFA was brilliant (double bass work), Lars has his stength in knowing that he should lay back and support the other guys. Anyone whos worked on any sort of team knows you get further making assists than you do trying to make the limelight.
In other news, I'd love to hear worRAB from the "metallica are pussies" crowd on their favorite banRAB, but you never wil because the flash in the pan cookie monster convention that is Metal Music can't string 3 worRAB together without it being bookended by the worRAB "****ing" and "awesome*"
*Substituets include: Brutal, sick, nuts, amazing.
I wasnt really a big Metallica fan until after Reload had already been released so for me it was the first studio album released as a fan so I bought it the day it came out. What a major disappointment. Its definitely all about the first 4 albums for me, plus S&M. Garage Inc wasnt that bad either.
live_laugh_love_4ev
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i agree with u on that
NaturallyThick
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I don't remeraber ever slamming them per se.... although i do confess to sometimes seeing lars as a bit of a whiner...lol... but I stood up in defense of some of the lowliest thought of albums by the band, that being St. Anger! They're a good band, they've got major chops at what they do, it's just sometimes a bummer when you consider they were once one of the GREATEST in their genre.... but hey it's pretty damn hard to stay at the cutting edge for nearly thirty years... not many banRAB can or have acheived that... metallica hasn't, but they're not alone... in the pop / rock world they should have a good friend in U2... thirty years of longevity and they are not at the cutting edge (pardon the pun, the Edge) either, but credit to them they still make "good" music, as opposed to the great stuff they used to put out flawlessly...
Yeah I would agree with pretty much most of this. If thats what Metallica wanted to achieve with the Load and Reload albums then I still would say that I would have hoped for them do so with a little more success rather than recorRAB that just seemed to struggle a little with the transition and were never really going anywhere.
ashleyb. :]
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I agree Dave Mustaine whined a lot about the whole getting kicked out thing way too much, but honestly they really did screw him over. Surely, we wouldn't have Ride the Lightning or Master of Puppets as we know them as well as the Megadeth albums I like, but still...principle of the thing. Shows you the Metallica guys were ****s straight out of the gate.
Nothing beats the scene in the documentary Some Kind Of Monster when Mustaine meets up with Lars...best awkward moment in history.
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Nothing beats the scene in the documentary Some Kind Of Monster when Mustaine meets up with Lars...best awkward moment in history.
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