Let's Debate Afghanistan In The Pit.

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... If we leave now will the Taliban take over again and allow free access to AQ camps and forces?

The Taliban has proven, if you will look again at the OP, that they are willing to comply with global restrictions on drug abuse. I do not doubt that the Taliban would welcome an offer from the US that in exchange for an honest pain killer monopoly, they would welcome a US military presence on the Pakistani border.

Fuck you all and get used to some human rights violations for a while. We have our liberalizing foot in the door.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/08/gates-names-marine-gen-mattis-central-command/ I wish that were true.

Pfft. Those are Marines you're talking about. They don't count.

This is how Marines think, in the immortal words of Colonel Jessup: [sic] "...my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

It is what it is. You need the Marines, they are good killers.
 
Then, conveniently, we had 9/11.

Yes, 9/11 was quite "convenient" for all those that died, the people that live(d) and work(ed) in NYC and the Pentagon, their families and friends.

Interesting perspective.

Oh, you mean "politically convenient", ie, as a ruse under which to launch a "needless" war in a country where terrorists actively trained, were funded with bin Laden money, hid out and plotted against us?

The Iraq war was the "needless" one. The Afghanistan war, while still a murky proposition in some ways, was at least justifiable.
 
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

I always thought it was "stand opposed" -- as in "you can thank me or you can challenge me to a fight; I honestly won't give a crap either way."
 
Pfft. Those are Marines you're talking about. They don't count.

This is how Marines think, in the immortal words of Colonel Jessup: [sic] "...my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

It is what it is. You need the Marines, they are good killers.
It's not me they protect, much less "freedom", it's the values of right wing fanatics and corporate profits. They do very little that has to do with preserving anyone's freedom, and usually they are fighting against freedom.
 
They probably would take over and the camps would reappear. I say, so what? There is nothing wrong with a terrorist training camp that a tomahawk missile or predator drone wouldn't fix. I'd much rather lob the occasional missile than continue to try to put Humpty Dumpty together.
I agree. It's the difference between leaving a hornet's nest alone and beating it with a stick, except in this case we are killing a lot of stick swingers in the process. Not to mention we are wasting a shit load of very expensive sticks and the billions of dollars delivering those sticks.

Keep in mind that this isn't Nazi Germany we are fighting where you kill one guy and the whole thing topples. These cells acting independently are recruiting new kids every day. There is no winning and walking away. Just can't happen.
 
For 9 fucking years?

Fuck you, personally.

Well, if the Bush administration hadn't screwed the pooch by launching a stupid war in Iraq and instead had devoted those resources wasted there to Afghanistan instead from the outset, maybe it wouldn't have taken this long to establish the security that we are finally starting to experience now. You know, after finally and very recently committing the kinds of boots on the ground and support for them that should have been there all along.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jayne-lyn-stahl/endgame-in-afghanistan_b_650664.html Wars are about money. No one cares if a population is mistreated or suppressed unless it allows you to exploit their country.Then the imaginary civil rights violations become important.
 
Satellites, drone flyovers. I'm sure there will be ways to get in touch with informants.
So we're gonna do drone flyovers of a hostile country? Where will they refuel from and be based from? Pakistan? I suppose they'd be happy if most of the drones were flying the other way. :D

In any case, I'm not an intelligence officer, but I'm pretty sure you need intel to focus your satellites, you can't just search the whole country.
 
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0719/richard-haass-afghanistan-its-worth-it/ here is the head of the militant Council of Foreign Relations saying we do not belong in Afghanistan. We have nothing to win there. Unless taking the minerals from a foreign land is the American thing to do.
 
Please, folks (fuck you all), let's focus on Afghanistan as a typical extension of our corporate/govt policies since the govt declared corporations people with big feet and appetites.

Let's stay with the OP, please, fuck you all.

Well, fuck me, I guess.
 
Depends on the war. Canada kept away from Iraq II because it was not a just war, but participated and continues to participate in Afghanistan to promote human rights and civil rights, and to assist in nation building. Financial benefit for Canada or explotation by Canada? Nah.
 
Depends on the war. Canada kept away from Iraq II because it was not a just war, but participated and continues to participate in Afghanistan to promote human rights and civil rights, and to assist in nation building. Financial benefit for Canada or explotation by Canada? Nah.

Do you think Afghan civil rights will emerge after this? Do you believe justice and peace are our end game?
Lots of countries work for us. They forgo their national interests to stay on the good side of the worlds biggest bully. We have lots of financial connections and treaties. The internationals financiers have common aims.
There is no nation building possible in Afghanistan. Our military admits that.
 
It's not me they protect

Yes, it actually is. They are doing what they were trained to do and are ordered to do. Please don't mention Nuremburg, as it isn't applicable. Obviously we are involved in wars these recent decades that are of questionable intent or value. But don't blame the soldier...blame your elected officials that control the soldier.
 
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