FTN opened the doors!

U isn't a word.If you mean the letter then although I can't really speak for it I think it's safe to assume that it too doesn't give a fuck.
 
IdolEyes787 said:
I read someplace that that a human is an immortal alien spirit that is trapped on Earth in a physical body.
I also read that Scarlett Johansson had anal sex with Benico Del Toro in an elevator.
Guess which one the three I find the most interesting and believable?
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Benecio del Toro is the fucking man, so I think that one is the most believable.
 
Funny thing is, some tens of thousands of people every year believe that "I read someplace that that a human is an immortal alien spirit that is trapped on Earth in a physical body" and are exploited by it everyday in order to milk the maximum amount of money out of them to fund a "religion".

It's called Scientology.
 
Burnsy said:
What?! :blink:

I'm afraid we have very different definitions of a favour then. You seem to perceive that by doing simply what your supposed to do, and what everyone else is doing, as you actually doing someone a favour... I'd say that you are simply meeting an expectation, and by the very definition of being a seeder, you are meeting a requirement, are you not?

Going over and above what you were supposed to do... I would call THAT doing someone a favour... however, this convo has totally digressed now from the original point and starting to go off on a complete tangent.

I've not twisted or misconstrued any statement, I've agreed with you on some points, not on others, and have offered explanations as to why my opinions differed... I'm now at the stage where I have no idea what you're on about, and at this time of night I'm not really that fussed about that :lol:

Now twist, turn, rearrange and use those comments in whatever text you want to because at the end of the day your entitled to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine... we don't agree, fair enough... shit happens :)
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My 2 main points I'm trying to convey to you are:

1) seeding is a form of donation
2) Seeding is a "favor"

Just an example for you:
I have nearly 400 waffles torrents seeding right now in my utorrent. Alot of them only have 1 other seeder, and many have me as the only seeder.
This is a favor, I have nearly a 9.0 ratio on waffles and could easily delete all my torrents. But I care more about people being able to get their music.

That is truly a favor I believe, as I have gone way past the requirements that the tracker requires.
Further more I want absolutely nothing in return for this other than knowing that the other user got his files.
 
BABBY said:
TT also gives invites to uploaders* and to old members*, even your old donation history is taken into consideration.

it would be really not that hard to get into TT, if u know some real trance music lovers.

*as far as my knowledge serves me.
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The second one doesn't happen too often. I've heard it just happens out of the blue when members of 40 weeks+ on the tracker just get an invite. It's not a regular, set age or time for donation hand outs.
 
What's the problem in giving incentives for donors? If someone invites a bad seed, staff will obviouslydo something about it.. whatever will keep the site running through this recession.

The_Martinator said:
I remember that I used to start threads like this one. Now I don't see the point. People who are looking for FTN shouldn't be looking for it just because invites were handed out.

I guess we all learn all the time, huh?
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Because the right way to do it is through the same announcements via "private" invite forums :rolleyes:
 
Tv Controls you said:
I don't know if they updated the rules since but..... 36 hours or 1:1 ratio is their rules listed here.

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"You must have legal rights to the files you are downloading."
lol, this rule made me laugh
 
chinchi11as said:
i'm guessing $5 as usual :s
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From the news announcement:

B has gone ahead and given everyone who has donated at least 10eu an invite and in some cases more than one. Staff will continue to evaluate
donor perks and give out invites, but those found abusing the privilege will be dealt with accordingly. As for the paranoia of the yelling poster,
donations are currently 19% ahead of costs so I don't think Brandon is buying a Lexus this month.
 
For the record, there is no donate-to-receive-an-invitation system at FTN. The staff there are still very strict about who gets an invite and who doesn't (especially this time around). Yes, traders lurking in the shadows may have received an invite for donating opportunistically (without actually contributing anything to the community), but that is a pretty common occurence in our BitTorrent world. And not everyone who donated received an invite; I donate regularly to FTN and did I receive an invite? No, and this is the same for a few of my friends who are ranked much higher and are more active on the tracker than I am.

As always, most of the account and invite traders will be sniffed out and have their accounts disabled; these traders will fade back into the shadows and the account and invite trade requests here will die.
 
cinephilia said:
as for me, i was just stating a fact - no cynicism intended.
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It wasn't directed at anyone it particular mate... just a general impression I suppose on the tone of the thread as a whole :)

I don't see why those who put as much time and effort into running a site shouldn't be helped out with the costs involved. Sure they won't be astronomical, but any site owner who values their site knows to keep what extra they may have been donated one month to the side, in case the costs aren't met the following month... perfectly reasonable imo.

If they want to offer an invite to those who donate, subject to whatever criteria then fair play.

In this day and age it seems to be more and more about site security and you can't blame those who are taking the risks for wanting to be careful :)
 
I didn't say that and in fact acknowledged it wasn't... I think we'll agree to disagree

Burnsy said:
I understand what you say about not starting a tracker if you can't afford it, and about not having to rely on donations each month, and I fully agree with you
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What part of that states that members should pay for the servers?

I went on to mention that as a site grow and costs increase then it's acceptable to need some donations every now and again and there was nothing wrong with rewarding those willing to help out...

Burnsy said:
as a trackers success grows, and member base becomes bigger etc, then doesn't it make sense that eventually upgrades would be required to cope with increasing demands? Possibly outwith what the Site Owner initially was able to afford... and I think this is where donations become important, hence my belief that there's nothing wrong with offering an additional incentive to those offering money to the running costs :)
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I didn't miss your point at all... and I'm not sadly mistaken...

Tv Controls you said:
Burnsy said:
but don't you think it's more important to actually be able to afford the hardware to run your site first?
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I don't think that is the member's problem.
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If all your interested in is a tracker, then yeah... seed on and do no more... seeding is a requirement... you're not doing anyone any favours by doing what you're supposed to, you'd be disabled if you didn't.

If what you enjoy is the sense of community, then not being able to afford server fees becomes everyone's problem...
 
Tv Controls you said:
So in reality it seems as if their is no legitimate reason?
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You, my friend, have just discovered why the WTAW thread is retarded. Good job :). As for being a die hard What supporter, I enjoy Waffles too. But it's hard to support you when you've admitted publicly to breaking their rules and flaming their staff, and then try to convince other people here it's a terrible place in your own bitterness towards their moderators.

Aside from what I already mentioned, security is really the only reason. Remember that a smaller community doesn't necessarily mean a better community, it's simply easier to get to know all the regulars. Smaller sites generally mean dead IRC channels and a fairly spammy forum. Obviously there are exceptions, but funnily enough you'll find a much more active community on sites with 50K+ members (well... obviously). There's the argument that it's "better" because they're more selective therefore the members are cut from a better crop, but that's subjective.

Personally it's the only ratioless 0-day I really use, though I have accounts elsewhere. Mainly use it if I miss the pre on something, if I'm worried about not meeting seedtime restrictions, or if I want something big that might eat my ratio elsewhere, for example full TV seasons.

Funnily enough the people who would make the best use of an invite are also the people without connections in the torrenting world necessary to get an invite, and without the other more popular 0-day sites. Someone who'd use it as their primary 0-day would be a much better member than someone with SCC, TL, GFT, etc, who would just treat it as a trophy bookmark. Ditto goes with most "high level" sites. You need to be a very specific sort of member to fit in to the "amazing" communities at these places, and most of you simply don't have the disposition (nor do I in many cases). Ironically enough the places I thought were the best out of the bunch are now dead.
 
Albo Da Kid said:
Non-donors are not the ones putting food on their table. Donors are and they have to keep doing whatever it takes to make them donate.
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I strongly disagree, seeders are the ones putting food on the table.
Seeding is the best donation you can ever give to the BT community. I personally only donate when I really like how a tracker is ran.
 
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