FTN opened the doors!

Tv Controls you said:
Idol do you think a member would have more chance of getting into ftn if:

1) they put up a legitimate request on the giveaway forums.

or

2) Traded some high level trackers, and some laundered money through seed boxes for an ftn invite.
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In the end ftn is a tracker like many other trackers out there, in fact ftn isn't particularly fast on pre's (it was once). Yet I notice not a single person has mentioned what kind of tracker ftn is or it's content, only the level, and how much the collectors would donate a body part or family member. You can't even play the community card, because everyone there is too busy being 'leet' for having the membership to be friendly.
News of the day kiddies, it's a tracker, if you believe belonging to it will in anyway enhance you as a person, you desparately need to re-evaluate your belief structure.
 
Tv Controls you said:
My 2 main points I'm trying to convey to you are:

1) seeding is a form of donation
2) Seeding is a "favor"

Just an example for you:
I have nearly 400 waffles torrents seeding right now in my utorrent. Alot of them only have 1 other seeder, and many have me as the only seeder.

This is a favor, I have nearly a 9.0 ratio on waffles and could easily delete all my torrents. But I care more about people being able to get their music.
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1) In a roundabout way, you're right, it is and I've acknowledged that without seeders a tracker couldn't run. My point in that respect was that everybody has to seed, donator or not, therefore I considered a donator as someone doing a little bit more than than was required/expected (or whatever turn of phrase you want to use).

That's why I said I didn't see anything wrong with some sort of extra incentive for doing what everyone else was doing and more...

2) I don't agree, sorry. Seeding is following the rules, meeting a requirement set down by the board staff, and if you don't meet them you are generally reprimanded in some way... a warning... download rights removed... warned, or something. Going by your logic, and by seeding what you're required to do, it sounds like you are doing them a favour just by following their rules :unsure:

400 torrents on Waffles? Now that's something impressive... and imho something like that along with an account kept in good standing should be recognised and/or rewarded... whether by userclass or something else, invites or whatever... nice one... but I still think we should agree to disagree on the whole 'favour' issue, coz we're never gonna see eye to eye on it :lol:
 
I remember that I used to start threads like this one. Now I don't see the point. People who are looking for FTN shouldn't be looking for it just because invites were handed out.

I guess we all learn all the time, huh?
 
sear said:
why are they a legitimate user because they've made a request? I would think that most people with an invite wouldn't be wasting it on someone they don't know (I would hope anyway) and would instead give it to their friend who might enjoy the site.
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i fully agree with u

more over i think people who have invite of FTN, are all very selective in whom they select to give the invites.
and when we are very selective in giving invites, we loose those people who would really make a good stand at such prestigious sites.
I have myself been very selective in giving invites of some high level trackers and i have found that when we are extra cautious then we loose good users and land up nowhere.
anyway this is a general human mentality and i am not an exception ;)
cautiousness during handing out such invites is surely a must.
But extra cautiousness proves to be a problem at times.
 
TrueSounds said:
What's the problem in giving incentives for donors? If someone invites a bad seed, staff will obviouslydo something about it.. whatever will keep the site running through this recession.



Because the right way to do it is through the same announcements via "private" invite forums :rolleyes:
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the best post i have seen on this topic :) well done m8 really well done. why we always thinking only in wrong way.why we are not thinking that site need money to keep running
 
Ftn did it to there selves by making their site so hard to get invites on, while having similar sites as GFT who have less strict invite rules.

There has only been one legitimate request so far on this forum, and all the guy is getting is referrals to GFT.
Mean while there are over 10 trades going on for an ftn invite.
 
Tv Controls you said:
I strongly disagree, seeders are the ones putting food on the table.
Seeding is the best donation you can ever give to the BT community. I personally only donate when I really like how a tracker is ran.
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Do you think hosting companies would allow their servers to be used for free as long as the site that was ran from it was well seeded? (legal technicalities aside :lol:)

I fully agree that members seeding torrents and keeping them alive is essential to a site in order for their torrents to stay alive... but don't you think it's more important to actually be able to afford the hardware to run your site first?

I'm the same as you in that I'll only donate if I enjoy how the site is ran, and offers something that little bit different from the countless others that are available, but at the end of the day I think myself that it's the donators who initially keep the site alive for those seeders to even exist and build their ratio's on...
 
The older you become,the wiser you at least try to be.The more you understand the internet,the more you know its all about SEO,affiliates,ads,stealers,spreaders,blackhats and anything that can make money.

I try not to be too critical these days.
 
Tv Controls you said:
you missed my point.

Your sadly mistaken if you believe that its the members job to pay for the server bill.
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I don't believe it's a user's job, I for one do not donate to trackers very often. That's why I think if anyone should be rewarded, it should be them.

edit: I would probably agree with you go 2 years ago, when I actually cared about invites, and inviting people. If FTN gave me an invite now, I would probably toss it to a RL friend who wouldn't care too much for it. I wouldn't care much for inviting a RL friend either. Inviting people has lost its charm.

About seeding, it's just a matter of leaving it in your client for awhile, which with happen naturally for most users, because your average person doesn't watch/install all their warez the moment they download it. Yeah sure, give everybody invites for what they naturally do. I wouldn't care if FTN did that either, except I actually would, because that would mean >1000 new users which might destroy the no ratio economy that FTN has.
 
Lol could you imagine getting banned for that.

With that rule in place, I gaurantee that 99.9% of their members are breaking the rules :-p.

(00.1% haven't downloaded a torrent yet lol)
 
Is trading really that much of an issue in FTN? I can see it accounting for a fair bit of new sign-ups, but most members are stingy with invites anyway, I couldn't expect a trader to last in there long with the huge deal of activity he must be displaying.
 
It's a great site. I don't know if it's worth the effort to get into, it depends on what you'd be doing with your time otherwise :P

chinchi11as said:
TrueSounds said:
What's the problem in giving incentives for donors? If someone invites a bad seed, staff will obviouslydo something about it.. whatever will keep the site running through this recession.
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nothing, if they would bother hading out invites to non-donors too.
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Why should any regular user be entitled to invites though? They are riding on the bank of the consistent donors. I could see a con if they gave invites to any donor from now onwards, but ignored the site's consistent donors. But then again, it's just invites..

I wonder if the new invited users are getting invites, cause I see some are donating.T hat would be pushing the sketchiness, cause they have not had time to familiarize with the site, and I doubt they've even read the rules yet.
 
That is exactly where you are wrong.

Seeding is doing a favor, because it helps people retrieve their files.
Just because seeding is expected doesn't devalue it's cost.

*ps truesounds I was talking about burnsy in this post and my last.
 
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