FTN opened the doors!

[bl4ck_sp4de]

Yep... precisely :lol:

but don't you think it's more important to actually be able to afford the hardware to run your site first?

I don't think that is the member's problem.

I donate because I like how a website is ran... Not because I want to make sure the server bill is payed by the end of the month.
You shouldn't create a tracker with the assumption that the bill will be payed in donations every month...

In addition I pay dearly for my internet bill every month, so I find it highly offensive that you regard seeding as a lesser to donors.
Matter of fact if your a seeder, you are a donor. Your using your bandwidth which is money in today's world.

I could use a 56k modem and donate 5 dollars a month and save tons of of money. But I am more concerned about people receiving their files.

I think you may be missing my point a little...

I'm not saying seeders efforts are any lesser in value towards the site than those who donate financially to the running costs, I fully acknowledge seeders are effectively the life blood of the the tracker in so far as they NEED to be there to share files...

The point I was making, as ringhunter so eloquently put it, was that there would be nowhere to seed if the finances weren't in place to afford the hosting.

I understand what you say about not starting a tracker if you can't afford it, and about not having to rely on donations each month, and I fully agree with you, however... as a trackers success grows, and member base becomes bigger etc, then doesn't it make sense that eventually upgrades would be required to cope with increasing demands? Possibly outwith what the Site Owner initially was able to afford... and I think this is where donations become important, hence my belief that there's nothing wrong with offering an additional incentive to those offering money to the running costs

 

[Friz79]

TT gives you invites for donating. (its the only way of getting invites or you get in touch with a guy called Imm**** on TT.(his account is deleted. )

my bad

 

[Will]

I think the uploaded and downloaded data is also taken into consideration and not just the age of the account in such cases.(PU requirements perhaps? :ermm: )

Just chat on the open irc channel for a few months and you will be invited once you get to know the staff and people there.

 

[mybogo100]

0-day tracker isn't meant for retention though. Vast majority of scene releases are use and throw stuff.

 

[Asalia]

invites for donators only, as always... that's what i call invite selling. good job Brandon.

 

[rainbow cuddle bunny]

yes there is since only donators get invites.
brandon perfectly knows that ftn invites are much coveted by his members and that many of them are willing to donate to have a chance of getting one.

not everyone who donated received an invite but there is one thing for sure: only donators receive invites... go figure.

one again, great logic th0r

 

[BeiibeeGiirl]

If TVcontrolyou is talking strictly dedicated trackers, then I see his point. Seeding a shitload of music torrents is way more helpful than donating a few dollars, or auto-ing all 2010 FLAC/v0 releases on kimsufi's.

On 0day sites, seeding for a long time isn't really that important. If it is any trouble or bother to you, you're probably better off deleting the torrent and saving yourself the grief than letting it idle in your client to be a statistic on the tracker. As long as a torrent gets snatches it will live. When snatches die off, it's not really crucial to 'archive' it. (0day ≠ general)

 

[rogkas]

In most cases the repeat donors that keep a tracker alive do so because they like the place, not because they are expecting perks out of it. In simpler terms, putting more incentives out for donors will only increase the amount of donors not the amount of donations from the current donors.

 

[♡♪♡]

0-day tracker isn't meant for retention though. Vast majority of scene releases are use and throw stuff.

I perfectly understand that, but you have to admit that it gets annoying not finding content that was only pre'd 6 months prior to you searching.

Look for a certain pattern in all the trackers that are called "the best" in their line of releases. Their oldest torrents are 3+ years old, with seeders still on it. There's no doubt that a proper retention is required of any tracker, even the biggest scene ones like SCC/TL etc.

 

[choirnerd93]

I am a bit perplexed about the animosity over the decision to change their invite policy to something not really that much different than the pre-existing policy, but I guess I'm just easily confused.

Name one legitimate member that was invited through this donor invite session.

Even if you come up with one name , I can assure you there are 10 traders that got in for that 1 legit user.

 

[cutetrio2002]

So I would be correct in saying beside the community their is almost no reason to join ftn.

Although Artemis claims that "You can't even play the community card, because everyone there is too busy being 'leet' for having the membership to be friendly."

So in reality it seems as if their is no legitimate reason?

 

[tpdawkins]

invites for donators only, as always... that's what i call invite selling. good job Brandon.

Less QQ, more PewPew. :shifty:

 

[littledave]

let's put it another way:

staff = coding, implementing new features, improving the site and running the tracker.
members = content, retention, community = the backbone of the site and the tracker's soul

my point is that members are what makes a tracker better than another random one, more than staff or anything else.
i've seen countless trackers with good staff, great layout and features dying because a lack of dedicated members.

people don't donate just to please staff nor because they like the site design.

 

[SkoolSux]

Name one legitimate member that was invited through this donor invite session.

Even if you come up with one name , I can assure you there are 10 traders that got in for that 1 legit user.

I would, but I respect those people's privacy enough not to go blurting their name out on FST, but I do in fact know a couple people that I trust implicitly that got in as a direct result of this latest move. You seem to be working under the assumption that the only people that donate there are traders. I think that is poppycock, if you'll excuse my tawdry language, and a sign more of your own personal paranoia, not what is really going on.

The point of that statement was that I don't really see how this is a dramatic change from the existing policy, nothing more.

 

[GREEN D]

i'm guessing $5 as usual :s

What's the problem in giving incentives for donors? If someone invites a bad seed, staff will obviouslydo something about it.. whatever will keep the site running through this recession.

nothing, if they would bother hading out invites to non-donors too. I remember two christmas ago, they used to hand out invites upon request. Then they closed the request system and it has been $ to invite ever since.

 

[Mike]

I love how "opening the doors" ends up being an extra 60 or so invites being handed out. Now out of a private torrenting community of at least hundreds of thousands of members, how good to you think your chances are of getting one of those invites with your pathetic one line requests, especially when you have barely any other posts at FST?

Exactly.

Idol do you think a member would have more chance of getting into ftn if:

1) they put up a legitimate request on the giveaway forums.

or

2) Traded some high level trackers, and some laundered money through seed boxes for an ftn invite.

Most people I know did neither. But then again, they generally don't make requests either. People who donate for invites often have a specific person in mind, since they're not going to donate for an invite and then simply sit on said invite.

Or, of course, they might trade it. However, there are 98 invites on the site right now. How difficult is it really to sort through 98 potential inviters/invitees looking for the traders? That's nothing compared to what most sites need to face. And what are the real chances that out of those 98 people, 89 of them are traders? (Based on your 10:1 chances analogy). Doubtful.

As for "Ease" for invitees versus traders, the same can be said for any site at all. Not sure why this move suddenly makes FTN the only site affected by this issue. The entire reason most people trade is because it's the easy way out.

 

[//Luseroo.♥$]

I'll just let your own statement soak in as you don't seem to understand your own words.

You have acknowledged seeding is a favor by stating that it isn't a favor, but rather it is just expected.....

What?! :blink:

I'm afraid we have very different definitions of a favour then. You seem to perceive that by doing simply what your supposed to do, and what everyone else is doing, as you actually doing someone a favour... I'd say that you are simply meeting an expectation, and by the very definition of being a seeder, you are meeting a requirement, are you not?

Going over and above what you were supposed to do... I would call THAT doing someone a favour... however, this convo has totally digressed now from the original point and starting to go off on a complete tangent.

I've not twisted or misconstrued any statement, I've agreed with you on some points, not on others, and have offered explanations as to why my opinions differed... I'm now at the stage where I have no idea what you're on about, and at this time of night I'm not really that fussed about that :lol:

Now twist, turn, rearrange and use those comments in whatever text you want to because at the end of the day your entitled to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine... we don't agree, fair enough... shit happens

 

[three_ladybug]

No it's "easier" for someone that doesn't trade to gain admittance to FTN than someone who does.
One only requiring someone to like them and have a bit of confidence in them while the other requiring a bunch of wheeling and dealing and if successful I'm sure never a truly relaxed moment being constantly worried that they might be found out and unceremoniously truffed ( which I know for a fact most are btw).
All to get into a friggin' bt tracker that , correct me if I'm mistaken, is remarkably like countless other ones out there.

On the other hand if it's someone's "goal' to get into FTN then you are probably right that trading is the surest route but then again if it's someone's "goal "to get into FTN( or any tracker that has dozens of doppelgangers containing near identical content), then in my opinion at least ,they are already a lost cause.

 

[Ninjas can be gangsters]

This news reminds me of SCT staff making hell of money by offering double upload and invites to donors and then within an instance running away leaving those innocent donors .. lets see when FTN do the same thing

 

[hazah]

I read someplace that that a human is an immortal alien spirit that is trapped on Earth in a physical body.
I also read that Scarlett Johansson had anal sex with Benico Del Toro in an elevator.
Guess which one the three I find the most interesting and believable?

i'm guessing $5 as usual :s

From the news announcement:

B has gone ahead and given everyone who has donated at least 10eu an invite and in some cases more than one. Staff will continue to evaluate
donor perks and give out invites, but those found abusing the privilege will be dealt with accordingly. As for the paranoia of the yelling poster,
donations are currently 19% ahead of costs so I don't think Brandon is buying a Lexus this month.

Believable? IdolEyes787, get it right up you.

Interesting? Ok, the Scarlett Johansson had anal sex with Benico Del Toro one is a win for you. :lol: