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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:16:30 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:



That's the same here in Winnipeg, we were to get a new football stadium for
$130 million. Due to stonewalling and political interference the cost was
jumped to $165 million, and then the main investor who we found was basically
broke backed out. The political's dragged their feet and now the price tag is
$200 million. I blame the mayor and city council for not doing their due
diligence. They needed to look harder at the project and investors, but instead
told everyone that the new stadium even because of cost over runs would still
be the best thing since sliced bread. I think they should be all fired and a
new council and mayor elected.
 
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"Bryan" wrote

Some unions should be busted. If it was 1930, I'd probably be a union
organizer. They did a lot of good for the American worker and were needed.
In more recent years, many of the unions became money making machines for
the unions and are exploiting the workers. Yes, I have first hand
information sitting at the negotiating table.

Protect the worker? No, we just want more dues and contributions to our
Welfare Funds so we can pay union reps big salaries

If a private contractor can do the job better and cheaper, that is what we
should be using. Efficiency matters.
 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:14:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


so, should we cut government employees to the point where 'customer
service' is on a par with what you get from your cable or credit card
company?

your pal,
blake
 
sf wrote:



I've worked for two Big Companies (Dow 30, or close) and they both
used the same approach. Most employees got the same percentage
annual bonus, company wide, which was called a "wage dividend" or "profit
sharing" or similar and in boom times would be 15% to 20% of salary.
But above a certain (fairly high) wage grade, managers received an
incentive bonus instead, based on their unit's performance.
And for people in sales and marketing, there was a different target-based
bonus even if you were at a lower wage grade.

I can only assume the same types of compensation consultants create
these very similar systems at many many companies.

The very existence of separate management-level bonuses is of course not
even disclosed to the rank-and-file.


Steve
 
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:41:02 -0500, George wrote:


I know quite a few teachers, and I can tell you that they don't work 6 hours a
day. They spend hours at night and many more on weekends making up classes or
correcting tests. Many look after the basketball team, football, lacrosse,
curling, or volleyball teams with no pay, many take the team to a burger joint
after a win and foot the bill. Teachers) do the job because they love what they
do, if it was just for the money there wouldn't be many becoming teachers.
 
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:41:02 -0500, George wrote:


I know quite a few teachers, and I can tell you that they don't work 6 hours a
day. They spend hours at night and many more on weekends making up classes or
correcting tests. Many look after the basketball team, football, lacrosse,
curling, or volleyball teams with no pay, many take the team to a burger joint
after a win and foot the bill. Teachers) do the job because they love what they
do, if it was just for the money there wouldn't be many becoming teachers.
 
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"Dave Smith" wrote

And we see what happened to GM. Back in 1950 it was easy to prevent a
strike. Just give the workers more and raise the price of the automobile.
It worked for a long time, but then competition outside of the Big 3 changed
that.

A GM assembly plant near us closed about 15 years ago. The former workers
were at first insulted when offered only $15 to $18 an hour for menial work.
They all wanted $25+ to drive a forklift truck or push a broom.
 
On 2/19/2011 11:34 PM, Steve Pope wrote:

An honest one would. I worked for a very large privately held company
and reported to the VP of one of the divisions. Our bonuses were based
on how much the overall company made.


Correct.
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:24:36 -0500, George
wrote:


Agreed. Maybe the teachers who didn't work beyond school hours were
in private school, but I've never heard of one who is working in
today's climate who doesn't go beyond 6 hours on a regular basis -
including librarians.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On 20/02/2011 3:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

They most definitely are not paid her for extracurriclar activities. A
lot of teachers had been doing it gladly for years. It started becoming
an issue when the government decided that they should be forced to do it.
 
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"Dave Smith" wrote

And we see what happened to GM. Back in 1950 it was easy to prevent a
strike. Just give the workers more and raise the price of the automobile.
It worked for a long time, but then competition outside of the Big 3 changed
that.

A GM assembly plant near us closed about 15 years ago. The former workers
were at first insulted when offered only $15 to $18 an hour for menial work.
They all wanted $25+ to drive a forklift truck or push a broom.
 
On 20/02/2011 3:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

They most definitely are not paid her for extracurriclar activities. A
lot of teachers had been doing it gladly for years. It started becoming
an issue when the government decided that they should be forced to do it.
 
On 2/19/2011 11:34 PM, Steve Pope wrote:

An honest one would. I worked for a very large privately held company
and reported to the VP of one of the divisions. Our bonuses were based
on how much the overall company made.


Correct.
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:36:04 -0500, George
wrote:


That sort of thing happens in the public sector too and if you don't
believe it, you are woefully ignorant.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
On 2/20/2011 2:26 AM, sf wrote:

No shades of gray with you are there? Clearly you have never worked in
the private sector or have been self employed. Ed noted he was self
employed. If he came in say on weekends or worked later at night for the
same income wouldn't that be a pay cut?

I worked for a privately held company that was purchased by a publicly
held company whose leader happened to embrace the democrat party. Within
weeks of taking over he demanded that all exempt employees had to come
work at least 2 extra hours for free each day. A little while later that
was extended to mandatory Saturdays which later extended to mandatory
Sundays.

The former owner was a family that supported conservative values who
only wanted good performance in return for your paycheck. In return they
provided excellent health care, an excellent retirement plan, fantastic
profit sharing and a great work environment were people were empowered.
The new owner did everything he could to reverse all of that.
 
On 2/20/2011 2:26 AM, sf wrote:

No shades of gray with you are there? Clearly you have never worked in
the private sector or have been self employed. Ed noted he was self
employed. If he came in say on weekends or worked later at night for the
same income wouldn't that be a pay cut?

I worked for a privately held company that was purchased by a publicly
held company whose leader happened to embrace the democrat party. Within
weeks of taking over he demanded that all exempt employees had to come
work at least 2 extra hours for free each day. A little while later that
was extended to mandatory Saturdays which later extended to mandatory
Sundays.

The former owner was a family that supported conservative values who
only wanted good performance in return for your paycheck. In return they
provided excellent health care, an excellent retirement plan, fantastic
profit sharing and a great work environment were people were empowered.
The new owner did everything he could to reverse all of that.
 
On 2011-02-19, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


Yes, the concept is a good one.


No doubt due to the fact the same ppl that graduated business schools
with "take no prisoner" MBAs which joined big corps were the same
graduates that settled into mgt for the bigger unions. Then it jes
became a battle of the MBAs for the rank and file's assets.

The first signs of rebellion I saw were West Coast machinist unions
that told their local mgt to go piss up a rope, they were gonna settle
no matter what union mgt said, and they did it. The prez of one local
even got canned for not holding the national party line against these
rebellious R&F'rs.

The other revolution was more enlightened corporations, mostly in the
high-tech sector, that rightfully realized that giving the worker good
wages and bennies would eliminate the unions and their mgt bureaucracy
altogether, thereby saving all that money wasted on that whole level
of bloodsucking fatcats.

Unfortunately, traditional business, as taught in the great business
ivory towers of the USA, is still of the philosophy of opposition and
confrontation rather than cooperation. So, the bottom line is to
still treat the working class like beasts of burden rather than
willing partners. Likewise, since they're unworthy worker drones,
anyway, jes toss 'em aside for cheaper models.

Now we are a Third Word Nation. Poverty, hunger, no production to
export, except weapons, which are too damn sophisticated and expensive
for anyone else to afford, so they now make their own as the means
....read computers.... makes it possible for any country to become a
super power if they're actually making products for export and can
generate revenue. Which we no longer can!

(somebody turn the hose on me!)

jes one last tidbit for thought:

"Life will continue on this planet until pollution ruins the
atmosphere and sewage makes the seas a barren, watery desert. Then
life on this fragile little pebble orbiting this modest star will come
to the end that the Creator must have intended when he made man.
Watching our Japanese televisions, listening to our compact laser
discs, wearing our designer clothes, we'll all starve"

-- Stephen Coonts, The Minotaur, 1989


......and here I thought I had the hot skinny with my cynical insights
on our futile future. Silly me. So, go out and party and buy that H2
and toss empty water bottles everywhere. We're all gonna die
.....shortly!! ;)

nb
 
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"sf" wrote

Want copies of my W-2? Amazing how you go on making comments with no facts.
Please don't make foolish statements when you have no idea what my salary is
or was or lack of bonus, etc.
 
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