For all Johnny Cash Fans

On 20/02/2011 7:35 AM, George wrote:


That's his problem. If he is self employed he can give himself a raise
or pay himself overtime.

We had an interesting situation here in Ontario when we had a government
who had a hate on for teachers. They disregarded all the after hours
work, marking, prep time etc and dumped on them for the common
misperception that they only worked 6 hours a day. They tried to force
teachers to do extracurricular activities. It is amazing how many people
agreed that since the teachers worked with children that they should be
willing to stay after work to provide free services for their kids. IMO,
that is sort of like suggesting that cops should be expected to go and
work security in local malls for free.


We had one government who saw the value of self directed work teams.
They spent a lot of money training us in the work team concept. It was
working great. Management didn't like it. I guess they felt threatened
and they couldn't always get their way. They sabataged it.
 
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"Bryan" wrote in message
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Who said I was friendly to business or hostile to workers? It is a mutual
thing. The best of businesses won't last long with no workers, workers
cannot survive with no employers. We also need some public sector jobs,
just not too many of them. Here in CT, the ratio of supervisor to worker is
4.2 to 1 in government versus 7 to 1 in industry. Sound like a bloating
problem to me.

Our new governor (a Democrat) is actually trying to fix a few things and
even eliminate tenure for teachers. He is also eliminating many "boards"
and consolidating. He is suggesting regionalizing some services instead of
each of 169 towns duplicating. About time.
 
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"Dave Smith" wrote >

I'd bet on sleazy. Up front and honest does not win elections as easily.

When Philadelphia had a referendum on building Veterans' Stadium many
decades ago, they gave voters a choice. Open stadium for $25 million or
domed stadium for $50 million. They built the open stadium for $50 million.
When asked about cost over runs, the officials said "we knew it would cost
more, but the people would never approve that much"
 
"sf" wrote

It is not a problem, just an unnecessary expense when I can get better and
cheaper coverage on my own compared to government mandated. I wonder how
many people under 65 do not even know Medicare is mandatory and that they
will pay for it.

I'm not against government services, but you have to control spending.
State want more money? Raise the state income tax from 5% to 6%. Need more?
Let's raise the tax from 6% to 7%. What do we do when the taxes are more
than 100%? Obama and crew are manning the printing press, but states can't
do that. There is a limit to how much we can be taxed. Government is no
different than your home budget. You can rack up a bunch of deficit
spending on credit cards, but eventually it has to be paid. That is what is
happening in many states right now.

Take a look at the price of oil and the exchange rate on the dollar. Euro
is 1.3675 right now. Printing money and deficit spending are out of
control.

Oh, my neighbor is out of work. How can we help him? Let's add another 3?
to the gas tax, increase the sales tax and continue as we have.

Typical response is fire fighting and pot holes. Keep those guys, get rid
of less needed services. We can safely cut back in many non-essential areas
and consolidate some departments on a case by case basis.
 
"sf" wrote

It is not a problem, just an unnecessary expense when I can get better and
cheaper coverage on my own compared to government mandated. I wonder how
many people under 65 do not even know Medicare is mandatory and that they
will pay for it.

I'm not against government services, but you have to control spending.
State want more money? Raise the state income tax from 5% to 6%. Need more?
Let's raise the tax from 6% to 7%. What do we do when the taxes are more
than 100%? Obama and crew are manning the printing press, but states can't
do that. There is a limit to how much we can be taxed. Government is no
different than your home budget. You can rack up a bunch of deficit
spending on credit cards, but eventually it has to be paid. That is what is
happening in many states right now.

Take a look at the price of oil and the exchange rate on the dollar. Euro
is 1.3675 right now. Printing money and deficit spending are out of
control.

Oh, my neighbor is out of work. How can we help him? Let's add another 3?
to the gas tax, increase the sales tax and continue as we have.

Typical response is fire fighting and pot holes. Keep those guys, get rid
of less needed services. We can safely cut back in many non-essential areas
and consolidate some departments on a case by case basis.
 
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"Bryan" wrote in message
news:fff7f16b-dada-4ae4-9fd2-87a7c0295cdf@w36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...

Who said I was friendly to business or hostile to workers? It is a mutual
thing. The best of businesses won't last long with no workers, workers
cannot survive with no employers. We also need some public sector jobs,
just not too many of them. Here in CT, the ratio of supervisor to worker is
4.2 to 1 in government versus 7 to 1 in industry. Sound like a bloating
problem to me.

Our new governor (a Democrat) is actually trying to fix a few things and
even eliminate tenure for teachers. He is also eliminating many "boards"
and consolidating. He is suggesting regionalizing some services instead of
each of 169 towns duplicating. About time.
 
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"Dave Smith" wrote >

I'd bet on sleazy. Up front and honest does not win elections as easily.

When Philadelphia had a referendum on building Veterans' Stadium many
decades ago, they gave voters a choice. Open stadium for $25 million or
domed stadium for $50 million. They built the open stadium for $50 million.
When asked about cost over runs, the officials said "we knew it would cost
more, but the people would never approve that much"
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:24:44 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:


Let's start balancing the budget by cutting military spending.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
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"sf" wrote in message> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:14:15 -0500,
"Ed Pawlowski"

I always thought you were an educated person. That is an ignorant statement
with no truth. Our state workers have been given some days off. The
judges though, had to be publicly called out before they took them.
 
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:36:47 -0800 (PST), "Michael O'Connor"
wrote:


Holding nose.... you're such an Old Fogie.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
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"Dave Smith" wrote


I'm not self employed but I do run the manufacturing of the company. The
owner is free to spend some time away in semi-retirement.

I don't have the authority to give myself a raise. In any case, it would be
irresponsible to do so right now. Business is slow and is not expected to
get much better until next year. Belt tightening included no bonuses, no
raises, no overtime. But everyone is still employed and getting 40 hours.
Complaints about it? None. Every employee has been well treated and fairly
paid for years and everyone knows business sucks right now. We shared the
good times, know we share the lean times.

Even if self employed, in order to give yourself a raise or pay yourself
overtime, the money has to be there to begin with. We don't simply raise
taxes to generate more income.

The cost of commuting, the cost of heating your home and the cost of
healthcare have all gone up. Anyone that has not had a raise in losing
ground. Given that fact, it is unconscienceable to increase taxes on the
working class right now. Government (at every level) has to do what the
citizens do. Cut spending. Sure, it may hurt, but so does turning down the
thermostat and eating beans instead of steak.
 
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:04:07 -0500, Dave Smith
wrote:


I was just kidding. I like Johnny Cash... in moderation. I liked his
cross-over music.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
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"sf" wrote in message> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:14:15 -0500,
"Ed Pawlowski"

I always thought you were an educated person. That is an ignorant statement
with no truth. Our state workers have been given some days off. The
judges though, had to be publicly called out before they took them.
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:24:44 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:


Let's start balancing the budget by cutting military spending.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
"sf" wrote in

Sensible. They did make a slight bit of progress getting rid of a jet
engine that the military did not need or want. Hurt GE a little, but helps
Pratt-Whiney and the taxpayer.

Of course, we'll be in a cold war type of situation with China soon as they
continue to build jet fighters, carrier killing missiles and submarines.
 
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"Dave Smith" wrote


I'm not self employed but I do run the manufacturing of the company. The
owner is free to spend some time away in semi-retirement.

I don't have the authority to give myself a raise. In any case, it would be
irresponsible to do so right now. Business is slow and is not expected to
get much better until next year. Belt tightening included no bonuses, no
raises, no overtime. But everyone is still employed and getting 40 hours.
Complaints about it? None. Every employee has been well treated and fairly
paid for years and everyone knows business sucks right now. We shared the
good times, know we share the lean times.

Even if self employed, in order to give yourself a raise or pay yourself
overtime, the money has to be there to begin with. We don't simply raise
taxes to generate more income.

The cost of commuting, the cost of heating your home and the cost of
healthcare have all gone up. Anyone that has not had a raise in losing
ground. Given that fact, it is unconscienceable to increase taxes on the
working class right now. Government (at every level) has to do what the
citizens do. Cut spending. Sure, it may hurt, but so does turning down the
thermostat and eating beans instead of steak.
 
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