Josh Medrano
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:37:21 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
If China called in their loans to your country, the US would go bankrupt.
If China called in their loans to your country, the US would go bankrupt.
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:08:30 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Steve Pope) wrote:
That's for sure.
I've only known bonuses as all or nothing, but I've heard of a company
that does percentages. Maybe that's the way it's done now, but I
remember the Meat Department manager at a certain grocery store I
patronized made his yearly quota at 6 months, so instead of patting
him on the back -higher ups "adjusted" his yearly quota (he quit
shortly after that).
What I hear about now about other companies is if a person (lower
level) makes 90% of the target, they get a 90% bonus. If they make
110%, they get a 110% bonus. I think that's a real incentive to do
well.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
(Steve Pope) wrote:
That's for sure.
I've only known bonuses as all or nothing, but I've heard of a company
that does percentages. Maybe that's the way it's done now, but I
remember the Meat Department manager at a certain grocery store I
patronized made his yearly quota at 6 months, so instead of patting
him on the back -higher ups "adjusted" his yearly quota (he quit
shortly after that).
What I hear about now about other companies is if a person (lower
level) makes 90% of the target, they get a 90% bonus. If they make
110%, they get a 110% bonus. I think that's a real incentive to do
well.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
On Feb 19, 9:14?am, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
You know Ed, it isn't about the wage cuts or pension issue. It's
about the union busting aspects of the bill.
I have much more of a problem with governments using tax dollars to
hire private contractors than to hire public servants.
--Bryan
You know Ed, it isn't about the wage cuts or pension issue. It's
about the union busting aspects of the bill.
I have much more of a problem with governments using tax dollars to
hire private contractors than to hire public servants.
--Bryan
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 05:08:30 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Steve Pope) wrote:
That's for sure.
I've only known bonuses as all or nothing, but I've heard of a company
that does percentages. Maybe that's the way it's done now, but I
remember the Meat Department manager at a certain grocery store I
patronized made his yearly quota at 6 months, so instead of patting
him on the back -higher ups "adjusted" his yearly quota (he quit
shortly after that).
What I hear about now about other companies is if a person (lower
level) makes 90% of the target, they get a 90% bonus. If they make
110%, they get a 110% bonus. I think that's a real incentive to do
well.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
(Steve Pope) wrote:
That's for sure.
I've only known bonuses as all or nothing, but I've heard of a company
that does percentages. Maybe that's the way it's done now, but I
remember the Meat Department manager at a certain grocery store I
patronized made his yearly quota at 6 months, so instead of patting
him on the back -higher ups "adjusted" his yearly quota (he quit
shortly after that).
What I hear about now about other companies is if a person (lower
level) makes 90% of the target, they get a 90% bonus. If they make
110%, they get a 110% bonus. I think that's a real incentive to do
well.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
On 20/02/2011 1:41 PM, George wrote:
I don't think that is the case at all. Like other professionals teachers
are paid to do a job. There are extra things they have to do outside of
classroom hours. Some teachers have given time to supervise school
teams. That can be a time consuming commitment. A football coach, for
instance is looking at two hours a day every day for the season. That is
a responsibility that tends to fall on the physed teacher. The
librarians and art teachers tend to avoid those chores, so it is hardly
fair that one is expected to put in all that free time while others do
nothing.
FWIW, my son's high school had a ski club. They sent 70-80 students by
bus across the border every Friday night during the winter. I used to go
along as a chaperone. One of the teachers committed to running it. We
left at 3 pm on Friday afternoons and got back at 1-2 am. 10-11 hours
of overtime for the teacher. It was nice of him to do it, but not
something IMO employers should demand.
My wife spend a lot of time working at home every night, weekends on
during school breaks. So did most of the teachers she worked with.
I don't think that is the case at all. Like other professionals teachers
are paid to do a job. There are extra things they have to do outside of
classroom hours. Some teachers have given time to supervise school
teams. That can be a time consuming commitment. A football coach, for
instance is looking at two hours a day every day for the season. That is
a responsibility that tends to fall on the physed teacher. The
librarians and art teachers tend to avoid those chores, so it is hardly
fair that one is expected to put in all that free time while others do
nothing.
FWIW, my son's high school had a ski club. They sent 70-80 students by
bus across the border every Friday night during the winter. I used to go
along as a chaperone. One of the teachers committed to running it. We
left at 3 pm on Friday afternoons and got back at 1-2 am. 10-11 hours
of overtime for the teacher. It was nice of him to do it, but not
something IMO employers should demand.
My wife spend a lot of time working at home every night, weekends on
during school breaks. So did most of the teachers she worked with.
aimeentanner
New member
On 2/19/2011 10:14 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
For sure, seems to be a human nature thing where we can't find a happy
medium. The union management thugs need to justify their existence so
the only word they know is "more".
At one time the pay scale on many public sector jobs was crappy so those
folks got better benefits etc such as good medical, early and good
retirement etc to compensate. Then their pay increased. Now in many
cases it is beyond a comparable education private sector job.
I can remember it was at least 25 years ago when the idea of copay for
medical insurance was implemented by my them employer. Mention that to
say school teachers who in my state have a super ultra deluxe blue cross
plan specially crafted for them (most expensive blue cross can devise
with zero possibly of out of pocket expense) and they strike. Last year
one local district tried to implement a $5 prescription copay and there
was a week of strikes done in a random fashion so as to screw up
everyone with children's lives as much as possible.
For sure, seems to be a human nature thing where we can't find a happy
medium. The union management thugs need to justify their existence so
the only word they know is "more".
At one time the pay scale on many public sector jobs was crappy so those
folks got better benefits etc such as good medical, early and good
retirement etc to compensate. Then their pay increased. Now in many
cases it is beyond a comparable education private sector job.
I can remember it was at least 25 years ago when the idea of copay for
medical insurance was implemented by my them employer. Mention that to
say school teachers who in my state have a super ultra deluxe blue cross
plan specially crafted for them (most expensive blue cross can devise
with zero possibly of out of pocket expense) and they strike. Last year
one local district tried to implement a $5 prescription copay and there
was a week of strikes done in a random fashion so as to screw up
everyone with children's lives as much as possible.
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:44:53 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:
When you go on "work furlough" and take a 10% or more cut in salary as
a result the same way public sector employees do, get back to me about
how people like you are doing their part and reducing their salaries
to prop up the economy.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
When you go on "work furlough" and take a 10% or more cut in salary as
a result the same way public sector employees do, get back to me about
how people like you are doing their part and reducing their salaries
to prop up the economy.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
?
"Dave Smith" wrote
That would depend on the school district. These days, I think most teachers
are compensated for the extra activities. Coaches are paid. I don't know
the details of the contract though.
Like every other walk of life, some will do more than others and give some
unpaid time.
"Dave Smith" wrote
That would depend on the school district. These days, I think most teachers
are compensated for the extra activities. Coaches are paid. I don't know
the details of the contract though.
Like every other walk of life, some will do more than others and give some
unpaid time.
baatarsuren i
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"Dave Smith" wrote
That would depend on the school district. These days, I think most teachers
are compensated for the extra activities. Coaches are paid. I don't know
the details of the contract though.
Like every other walk of life, some will do more than others and give some
unpaid time.
"Dave Smith" wrote
That would depend on the school district. These days, I think most teachers
are compensated for the extra activities. Coaches are paid. I don't know
the details of the contract though.
Like every other walk of life, some will do more than others and give some
unpaid time.
On 19/02/2011 11:19 AM, George wrote:
Union management thugs? I was a member of a large public service union
and I was somewhat active in my local. I figured that we were all
members and it was in my own best interests to be involved in order that
the radicals not take over and push their own agendas. We elected out
local executives and upper levels is union leadership were all elected
from those executive positions.
I detailed my own experience in another post. I started off in a
position similar to but lower than a friend of mine and earned a little
more than he did. Two years later he was making more than I was. He was
working at the same job but I had had two promotions and jumped three
positions and gone through the probationary to get the merit increase.
It does seem that the lowest positions tend to be relatively well paid
compared to private sector, but that does not extend upward. In the
higher paying and more skilled positions the money is usually better in
the private sector. Management is rarely paid as much as they would be
in the private sector.
I had a pretty good summer job in the private sector while attending
university. I completed my degree and eventually got a job in the
government, starting near the bottom. It was a long time before I made
more in the government than I did at that summer job and I had one of
the best paying jobs in the bargaining unit.
Union management thugs? I was a member of a large public service union
and I was somewhat active in my local. I figured that we were all
members and it was in my own best interests to be involved in order that
the radicals not take over and push their own agendas. We elected out
local executives and upper levels is union leadership were all elected
from those executive positions.
I detailed my own experience in another post. I started off in a
position similar to but lower than a friend of mine and earned a little
more than he did. Two years later he was making more than I was. He was
working at the same job but I had had two promotions and jumped three
positions and gone through the probationary to get the merit increase.
It does seem that the lowest positions tend to be relatively well paid
compared to private sector, but that does not extend upward. In the
higher paying and more skilled positions the money is usually better in
the private sector. Management is rarely paid as much as they would be
in the private sector.
I had a pretty good summer job in the private sector while attending
university. I completed my degree and eventually got a job in the
government, starting near the bottom. It was a long time before I made
more in the government than I did at that summer job and I had one of
the best paying jobs in the bargaining unit.
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:44:53 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:
When you go on "work furlough" and take a 10% or more cut in salary as
a result the same way public sector employees do, get back to me about
how people like you are doing their part and reducing their salaries
to prop up the economy.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
When you go on "work furlough" and take a 10% or more cut in salary as
a result the same way public sector employees do, get back to me about
how people like you are doing their part and reducing their salaries
to prop up the economy.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
Passion&Dolly
New member
On Feb 18, 5:38?pm, John Kuthe wrote:
Yeah but...considering he's only 15. Give him some time and I'll bet
he really does great.
Yeah but...considering he's only 15. Give him some time and I'll bet
he really does great.
Da King Of M.E.M.P.H.I.S.
New member
"Stu" wrote
I suspect they may do that one day. Or they will buy Wal Mart and thus,
control the country.
If China wants to wreak havoc in the US, all they have to do is stop
exporting for a short time and they will put us at a standstill for critial
materials and everyday necessities.
I suspect they may do that one day. Or they will buy Wal Mart and thus,
control the country.
If China wants to wreak havoc in the US, all they have to do is stop
exporting for a short time and they will put us at a standstill for critial
materials and everyday necessities.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:37:11 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
How do you know that they don't own it, indirectly of course.
95% of clothes you find on the rack in most stores are made in China,
Indonesia, Bangladesh or any number of third world countries.
I've never found one of the higher end stores in the USA that is US proud and
sells clothes only made in the US.
How do you know that they don't own it, indirectly of course.
95% of clothes you find on the rack in most stores are made in China,
Indonesia, Bangladesh or any number of third world countries.
I've never found one of the higher end stores in the USA that is US proud and
sells clothes only made in the US.
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:16:30 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
That's the same here in Winnipeg, we were to get a new football stadium for
$130 million. Due to stonewalling and political interference the cost was
jumped to $165 million, and then the main investor who we found was basically
broke backed out. The political's dragged their feet and now the price tag is
$200 million. I blame the mayor and city council for not doing their due
diligence. They needed to look harder at the project and investors, but instead
told everyone that the new stadium even because of cost over runs would still
be the best thing since sliced bread. I think they should be all fired and a
new council and mayor elected.
That's the same here in Winnipeg, we were to get a new football stadium for
$130 million. Due to stonewalling and political interference the cost was
jumped to $165 million, and then the main investor who we found was basically
broke backed out. The political's dragged their feet and now the price tag is
$200 million. I blame the mayor and city council for not doing their due
diligence. They needed to look harder at the project and investors, but instead
told everyone that the new stadium even because of cost over runs would still
be the best thing since sliced bread. I think they should be all fired and a
new council and mayor elected.
game freak
New member
On Feb 20, 9:54?pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
In the American plutocracy, the rich buy the laws. Citizen United v.
FEC assured us that this will only get worse.
Thus saith all the apologists for income inequity. If one person
contends that accumulation of wealth beyond certain limits is immoral,
does it really make sense to tell that person to do that exact thing
himself?
Say there were 10 hungry people and 20 cheeseburgers, and I say that
it is immoral for one of the persons to claim ownership of 15 of those
cheeseburgers, leaving only 5 to divide amongst the other 19. You say
that this is not immoral, and that I should follow the example of the
guy with the 15. So I take actions that get me title to 2 of the
remaining 5, leaving just 3 to divide amongst the 18.
Then you suggest, stupidly, that I practice charity, and say, divide
two of my burgers anongst the 18. Meanwhile, the guy with the 15 is
free to choose not to share any of his. If being charitable is an
indicator of moral goodness, then those who are the least charitable
retain the most wealth. When folks who are not part of the plutocracy
praise it, they look like chumps, the worst being the loser who hardly
has a pot to piss in, but is still devoted to the ideas of Ayn Rand.
Maybe you *should* publish your tax return.
Luxury taxes are/were stupid. They tax consumption, not wealth.
--Bryan
In the American plutocracy, the rich buy the laws. Citizen United v.
FEC assured us that this will only get worse.
Thus saith all the apologists for income inequity. If one person
contends that accumulation of wealth beyond certain limits is immoral,
does it really make sense to tell that person to do that exact thing
himself?
Say there were 10 hungry people and 20 cheeseburgers, and I say that
it is immoral for one of the persons to claim ownership of 15 of those
cheeseburgers, leaving only 5 to divide amongst the other 19. You say
that this is not immoral, and that I should follow the example of the
guy with the 15. So I take actions that get me title to 2 of the
remaining 5, leaving just 3 to divide amongst the 18.
Then you suggest, stupidly, that I practice charity, and say, divide
two of my burgers anongst the 18. Meanwhile, the guy with the 15 is
free to choose not to share any of his. If being charitable is an
indicator of moral goodness, then those who are the least charitable
retain the most wealth. When folks who are not part of the plutocracy
praise it, they look like chumps, the worst being the loser who hardly
has a pot to piss in, but is still devoted to the ideas of Ayn Rand.
Maybe you *should* publish your tax return.
Luxury taxes are/were stupid. They tax consumption, not wealth.
--Bryan
youareahoohaa
New member
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:26:34 -0500, George
wrote:
Yeah, and I can imagine walking into an Ed restaurant. Seeing that a
basic sandwich costs $15, I ask why only to be told you need to pay
for military equipment.... but ever so kindly, you run into the back
room and print up money that you give me to pay the bill. Tut tut
tut, you say - you don't have to pay me back... your grandchildren
will take care of it.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
wrote:
Yeah, and I can imagine walking into an Ed restaurant. Seeing that a
basic sandwich costs $15, I ask why only to be told you need to pay
for military equipment.... but ever so kindly, you run into the back
room and print up money that you give me to pay the bill. Tut tut
tut, you say - you don't have to pay me back... your grandchildren
will take care of it.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
Old man on the back porch
New member
sf wrote:
I've worked for two Big Companies (Dow 30, or close) and they both
used the same approach. Most employees got the same percentage
annual bonus, company wide, which was called a "wage dividend" or "profit
sharing" or similar and in boom times would be 15% to 20% of salary.
But above a certain (fairly high) wage grade, managers received an
incentive bonus instead, based on their unit's performance.
And for people in sales and marketing, there was a different target-based
bonus even if you were at a lower wage grade.
I can only assume the same types of compensation consultants create
these very similar systems at many many companies.
The very existence of separate management-level bonuses is of course not
even disclosed to the rank-and-file.
Steve
I've worked for two Big Companies (Dow 30, or close) and they both
used the same approach. Most employees got the same percentage
annual bonus, company wide, which was called a "wage dividend" or "profit
sharing" or similar and in boom times would be 15% to 20% of salary.
But above a certain (fairly high) wage grade, managers received an
incentive bonus instead, based on their unit's performance.
And for people in sales and marketing, there was a different target-based
bonus even if you were at a lower wage grade.
I can only assume the same types of compensation consultants create
these very similar systems at many many companies.
The very existence of separate management-level bonuses is of course not
even disclosed to the rank-and-file.
Steve
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"Bryan" wrote
Some unions should be busted. If it was 1930, I'd probably be a union
organizer. They did a lot of good for the American worker and were needed.
In more recent years, many of the unions became money making machines for
the unions and are exploiting the workers. Yes, I have first hand
information sitting at the negotiating table.
Protect the worker? No, we just want more dues and contributions to our
Welfare Funds so we can pay union reps big salaries
If a private contractor can do the job better and cheaper, that is what we
should be using. Efficiency matters.
"Bryan" wrote
Some unions should be busted. If it was 1930, I'd probably be a union
organizer. They did a lot of good for the American worker and were needed.
In more recent years, many of the unions became money making machines for
the unions and are exploiting the workers. Yes, I have first hand
information sitting at the negotiating table.
Protect the worker? No, we just want more dues and contributions to our
Welfare Funds so we can pay union reps big salaries
If a private contractor can do the job better and cheaper, that is what we
should be using. Efficiency matters.