Ex-gays or not

You don't know whether being gay is a choice for other people or not. I suggest you try listening to gay people instead of making pronouncements about other people's lives.

I can only speak for myself. I am gay. I did not choose to be gay. I can choose whether or not to have sex, but that's a different question.

I cannot say whether someone else has really changed his or her sexual orientation, since I am not anyone else. I cannot speak for other people. I do not care what sexual orientation someone else is. That is their business.
 
Let's get something "straight" here. (pun intended)

I was married to a man, had a child with that man.

Does that mean I was straight? Or does that mean I was "Acting/living" straight?

I later became involved with a woman.

Does that make me bi-sexual, lesbian or straight acting/living lesbian?

Only I can answer that.

Only with my knowledge of my sexual attractions, my socially repressed sexual desires and my knowledge of the life I would rather live and be happy knowing I'm being honest with myself and my son.


As far as "ex-gays" there's not ONE piece of peer reviewed and accredited evidence any gay person has ever been "cured" of their homosexuality. Not one.
Not one of these groups has ever been endorsed by the AMA, AAP or APA.
NOT ONE!
They're dangerous to all people, gays and straights alike. They fill heaRAB with lies based in religious undertones that say being gay is sinful.
They cannot provide one piece of evidence that being gay is harmful in any way, shape or form to humans.
All too often these supposedly "cured" gays eventually return to living as gays because that's just who they are!

Get over it, deal with it, accept it. It's fact, it's been proved time and time again.
When will you people just learn to accept reality and stop trying to manipulate others to become what you can feel comfortable with?

I'm completely comfortable and extremely grateful for the diversity of human beings.
Without it we'd all be colorless, culture-less and dumb.
Celebrate Diversity!
 
A lot of these groups operate with NO accreditation, and NO medical or scientific degree is required (or present) for the "counselors" who work there.

You wouldn't go to a hospital where the "doctors" had no degrees, but that's exactly how a lot of these "ex-gay" places operate...




In June 2005, a 16-year-old Tennessee male, Zach (last name omitted for privacy reasons), posted a blog entry on his MySpace site...

The program Zach noted is a Love In Action-run camp known as Refuge. The subsequent protests drew both extensive local media attention and international interest, with individuals from Europe, America and elsewhere getting involved. Particular attention was given to a quote attributed to the man running the program, John Smid:

"I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle. In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay
 
Actually, there are 3 total options:
1. They're celibate. They're still gay. They just aren't doing anything about it.
2. They're bi and always have been. Now, they just restrict themselves to the straight end of the sexuality spectrum.
3. They're gay and playing straight.
 
The poll question is sort of flawed. I mean, "can" is a misnomer. In the history of all gays has anyone ever gone 'straight'? I'm sure. However, if you ask most people who are gay, most say they've always been. If most gay people say they were born that way, why would there be any reason to doubt that?
 
You questioned the veracity of my post. I challenged you to prove your claim and you folded like a cheap suit. My summary of your initial posts was spot on. At least be intellectually honest enough to admit it and move on.
 
DEAR ABBY: I have reason to believe that a young man in my family may be gay. (He is 15.) I have been thinking a lot about it lately, and have been wondering if circumcision would cure it. What do you think? -- Grandmother in Missouri

Dear Missouri Grandmother: Homosexuality is not an illness, and therefore there is no need for a "cure." I predict that your family will be happier if you accept your relative exactly the way he is, love him, support him and stop trying to think of ways to cure him.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/living/14779108.htm?source=rss&channel=cctimes_living
 
In grade 12 i took sociology and family relations, and the teacher told us of a Doctor, i can't remember his name, who was actually treating gays. These Homosexuals would go to this Doctor and the Doctor was able to turn them straight. However, he had to stop his practice because people where harassing him about it, even though these people where going to him willingly.
I wish i could remember his name, but thats besides the point, the point is they went from homo to hetro :xgood:
 
I don;t approve of Obama's handling on gay rights at all at find he's sadly another politician. And I could say the same as you being a smattering pro religion, anti choice right winger. Before you label others think of where their coming from.

We post in the gay rights section because it's there and it pertains to us and effects us directly as LGBT people. Because we like being part of the issues that define us and impact us in our daily lives.

O post in other forums as well but it seems since most of the other threaRAB and sections are dead gay rights is still one of the most active.
 
I probably knew that. For a long while here I was the champion spelling/grammar critic, pointing out mistakes right and left, even though correcting them wouldn't have changed the message. I've since relaxed and bit my fingertips. It is however, totally uncool to have no regard for proper spelling and grammar. I learnt that in grammer skool!:xgood:
 
I'd just like to comment on the statement made that some str8 guy on here said he knew a burly masculine guy that was gay. That burly man told him he was seduced into being gay in high school and liked it, that's what turned him gay. Oh yeah, you have to work hard to seduce a teenage boy to have sex! :rolleyes: What a crock he was handing you. You are either gay or you're not. You don't turn gay from one experience. Think about it. Could some guy actually seduce you if you are a str8 man? Of course not! Str8 men have no attraction to their same sex. Every single gay person I know had the same exact experiences when they were very young and had no idea what sex even was (I honestly did not know until my frienRAB told me when I was 13...I got mad and said my parents would never do that!!! How disgusting!). Ah, to be a kid again! All of the gay guys I know knew they were different from the other boys at a VERY young age...not a sexual difference, but just something different that we couldn't put our finger on.

Here's something I've noticed when it comes to a difference between Bi men and gay men. Bi men DON'T like to kiss another man (sorry for TMI, but I just gotta share!). Only gay men like to kiss other men. So I think the gay part of Bi is just a kinky fetish for them. I honestly don't think Bi's are capable of loving another man, but they can have limited sex with them. So being an Ex-Gay would be an easy thing, no struggle at all. They are still attracted to women and can have relations and even marry the person they love.

Now, I've heard an argument about the 'socialized to be gay' theory. When questioning/possibly gay kiRAB are young, they are usually picked on and outcast by the other boys. So the theory is they long for close relationships with their same sex and they end up confusing intimacy with frienRABhip. The problem with that theory is the kid is already noticed for being different...so there was already something there that caused the other kiRAB to pick on him and outcast him. So that theory just doesn't make sense (to me).

On the light side, I've heard a saying......you are not recruited into the gay lifestyle....you're sucked into it! :)
 
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