Ex-gays or not

I want gays to have the same rights as straights and I want the government to get out of marriage, so that gays and straights (and polygamists for that matter) have the same rights there too.

But because I oppose "special" rights for gays, that apparently makes me a bigot... In fact opposing anything deemed "good for gays", apparently makes you a bigot. In this sense I am saddened by the "gay rights" movement, which like the feminist movement before it, at some point transitioned from a struggle for liberation to a struggle for whatever it can extort.
 
I don't think there's a descriptor that can be applied to every gay person as to why they are gay. I have seen and known effeminate men who likely can't help being gay. I have known a burly straight looking gay man who says he is gay because he was seduced in junior high school and he liked it. I believe each gay person has a reason for being gay. Some are by choice, some are by genetics...but this globally applied argument that "we can't help it" it BS in a brown bag.
 
I think part of the problem with "ex-gay" is that you have the "reality" brought about by the Ted HaggarRAB and Larry Craigs of the world.

People can "say" they are "ex-gay", but the reality of the situation is that when it comes to internal homophobia, people will "say" a lot to deny what they are TRULY like inside.

Dr Spitzer did a study on "ex-gays", and had extreme difficulty in locating them.
Eventually, he had to receive NON-random candidates which were given to him by the reparative therapy groups. This violates scientific standard in that allowing the reparative therapy groups to pick and choose candidates to review, you destroy any possibility at a representative sample.
It's like basing an FDA evaluation of a drug based on a commercial.

Regardless, even under these conditions of allowing the reparative therapy groups to pick the people for the study, Spitzer found a MAJORITY of those involved admitted to continuing to masturbate to same gender fantasies.

Hardly "ex-gay" but more of "monogamous".

The bottom line?
You hear MORE about "ex-gays" from the GROUPS which claim to spit them out than you do from the ex-gays themselves...
 
I have been posting in other forums. If you gave me more than a few hours to read through this brand new board and gave me a chance, you would see I'm not one dimensional.
 
Your right it is very difficult, they can't even except that fact that maybe one just one Gay person can totally turn around.
And when you given them information on situations where it has happened they say those people must be lying.

It doesn't make sence to me.
 
And I know a gay man who tried it with a woman and promptly vomited on her.

And maybe you should try dating guys for a month, or women you don't find attractive even - before stating their claims B.S.
 
Could have been the odor...or nervousness.

I do not doubt that two straight men could arouse and satisfy each other physically. The physical response to physical stimulation is likely involuntary to a great extent.

If one defines dating as planning and participating in a mutual experience, I've already dated straight men. I used to go hunting/fishing with one straight guy, I used to play tennis with another, I go to a strip club often with another, and to car races with yet another, I have dinner often with another man...but none of us ever got turned on to each other.

If one defines dating as "trying to get some", then I doubt I will ever date a man, straight or gay.

I stated that the claim that all gays were born gay is BS, not that none were born gay.
 
Rather interesting how they label themselves as "ex"-gays, eh...

I mean, if a guy converted from Baptist to Lutheran, he wouldn't call himself an "ex-Baptist". He'ld call himself a Lutheran.

But "ex-gays" refer to themselves as "ex-gays", whereas it would make more sense to refer to themselves as "straight" or some other synonym.


Or perhaps it's a move similar to "alcoholics", who label themselves as "alcoholics" even if they've been sober for years. The analogy being that "ex-gays" still have attraction towarRAB people of the same gender, thus not being truly "straight" in their sexual attractions...
 
There are only two options either they were only pretanding to be gay in the first place or they are pretending not to be gay after the said cure. Then again who knows if they want to try and change its their lives if they want to put themselves through torture it really is non of my business.
 
Personally, I think it's more that most of these treated "homosexuals" were actually heterosexuals and they simply suppresse half of their sexuality.
 
Where did you get this silly idea? Go ask some gay people about this. I never met one who chose to be sexually attracted to the same sex. Hell - I never met ANYONE, myself included who chooses who they are sexually attracted to.
 
If we're going to talk about changing gay people to straight people, maybe we should examine the MEANS by which they attempt it...

Does any of this sound like it would work?

People don't seem to realize that a LOT of these "reparative therapy" groups have little to no professional psychiatric training. Many of these organizations have no accreditation, and operate under thoroughly rejected psychiatric assumptions.

"Love in Action is not licensed by the Tennessee Departments of Health, Mental Health, Human Services, Child Services or Education, according to Rachel Lassiter of Gov. Phil Bredesen
 
14 in gay threaRAB, a smattering of anti-religion, pro-abortion, yadda, yadda, yadda. I'd say predictable liberal.
Show me some of that "gifted mind". Tell me why you AREN't a Kool-aid drinking Obama rah rah-type cheerleader.
 
Not that I agree with anyone else here, but I beg to differ on the choice of being attracted. You likely do choose based on looks. Janet Reno turns me off, Janet Leigh turns me on. They're both female and I chose to be attracted to Leigh. Please clarify your statement.;)


...and say hello to the bambino!
 
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