Crash - A must see film!!!

Anyway, I just got my dvd through a few days ago and I really enjoyed the film, some nice emotional scenes in, especially the ones that someone mentioned a few pages ago.
 
:confused: No one's telling you to 'love' the movie. I've agreed with people who have not liked the movie, but to argue that the film has 'no subtext' is wildly off the mark. So you're uncomftable with the subject of race. Ok.



:yawn: Look. I'm going to go on what you say and not what you imply. Otherwise I'll be here all day.



:confused: Well you're doing a bang up job so far.



:eek: Congratulations. That's life. That's people. That's how we react to things. We 'descend into [a] rambling monologue' to defend our positions in life. And sometimes only change because we are forced to change.
(we're doing it now).

er.... some of the characters saw things from a different perspective. Others did not. Didn't you get that?



Because they were all supposed to be linked!



Yes. And I was also implying that the connotation given pre-supposed that a razor was used to dissect the algorithm I was testing for your benefit. Alas, I failed :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Let's react to what is typed and not what we 'think' is implied by the type. Ok?



I don't have a problem with any of those movies. Though I have never seen 'When Harry Met Sally','The Exorcist' and if I've seen 'Cat on a hot tin roof' I simply can't remember it. I've seen 'Die Hard' a multitude of times. Love it.

Maybe you're right. Maybe in 10 years those films will be rememberd more fondly. But usually the best films put's its finger on the pulse of society at the time.

The American gov have a list which is like the "10 movies you should watch" because they're important to understand their society. I clearly remember one of the movies being 'Taxi Driver'. That film is not as fondly remembered as those on your list. But its seen as more important because its not just entertainment.

I don't think Crash is a 'great' film. I think its a beautiful film to watch, be drawn in by and possibly learn something. With the aftermath of Katrina and accussations flying around, this film may have put its finger on the pulse. I don't know. Time will tell.
 
Sorry, when did I say I did a media studies course?! I took slightly more traditional choices at University. I have, however, read numerous books on film theory and screenwriting (not for career aspirations, simply as a film fan).

If I had taken a media studies course, it wouldn't make any difference to this argument. Is my point any more valid if I'd studied Bergman and Kurosawa? The answer's no, by the way. Just one person (who has watched many movies on this theme) expressing their opinion. It can't be 'wrong' but yes, you're entitled to disagree with it. Unfortunately, there comes a point where you have to realise that, no matter how much you disagree, that person's viewpoint isn't going to change just because you don't like it.



Correct. Of course, the reason that Crash hasn't had as many votes, is because it's a very new film.When Crash has been in the public consciousness for a little longer and more people have seen it and viewed it away from the hype... then you can start comparing it to those other films (the newest of which is sixteen years old and has 10,000 more votes). This is pretty much what I said earlier.



Get your facts right. The reason I gave you IMDB as a source is because you believed that Taxi Driver wasn't as popular movie as the ones I listed. It had nothing to do with Crash. Despite which, see below...



You'll have to explain your point here. Rear Window is a fantastic film; far superior to Crash. Just as important as the score is the fact that around 28,000 more people have passed judgement on it.

Incidentally, I find it faintly ironic that you're defending a film which showcases the ill-effects of racism. Racism is, of course, acting upon an ignorance that people who are different are inferior.

In my original post, I stated that I thought Crash is pretty poor (my 'belief'). You attacked me for this, inferring that I was obviously unintelligent because I clearly didn't understand the movie. You knew nothing else about me but saw fit to label me because I had a different belief to you.

I'm not calling you prejudice (that's the sort of thing you seem to like to infer...) but instead of blindly sticking up for the theme of the film maybe you should think about it a little more closely and apply it to how you act in life. I haven't criticised you for liking this film; I've only defended my negative reaction to it and your continuing ignorance to accept my alternate viewpoint.

To be honest, I couldn't give two hoots what you think about me. You've read several posts from me that have gone far beyond the confines of the film so I guess you're now free to form an opinion. Whether I value the opinion from the person I think I'm addressing is another matter entirely.
 
Oh joy. :rolleyes:



Er... no. I'm...



Like...



You could have said...
"This film is about sex. Sex. Yeah, you got that? SEX".
And I would have said you had a problem with sex. Kinda obvious really (whoops! forgot who I was talking to!)



Er... no. It's when you said...



That's when the fun really started.



Well you used my use of 'theme' as your own until I called you on it and you said...



Now you've come up with a 'premise'! No wonder you're bored :yawn: .



Er... read the whole post old bean *sigh*...



Nice of you to miss out that bit. You put the 'spin' in spin doctor :)



What? That can be edited by anybody and the example you gave was terrible. On second thought... YOU keep using it. :rolleyes:

CONTINUED
 
On subtext...



Actually you said...



Which is a big difference to what you're saying now (luckily I'm here to remind you of these little details :cool: .)



Whining? What you mean like...



Attacked you? "Sir? Would you like some whine with your cheese?" :rolleyes:
I 'attacked you' with my "Teletubbies movie" line? :eek:



Oh I can live with that. But you didn't say that the subtext was lacking. You said (again *sigh*)...



Interesting back peddaling going on. Love it :) .



Bad grammar? Yeah. You tell David Mamet that. Let me know where he tells you to put your coma.
:D
Me direct? Nope. I bought his book "A Whore's proffession" included with it was "On directing film".



Narrow minded? Ooooh rude! :o
You put worRAB in their proper context. In this case the definition of 'simple' I gave fits perfectly. More so because the word 'unpretentious' tells us exactly where to go. If we didn't put worRAB in their proper context we'd all be talking jibberish! Like um... you. ;)
How old are you? Just a friendly question.



You've done so much back pedaling that your brain must be in an accelerated state of regression. :p


I wasn't :D .
 
Ha ha. I'm uncomfortable with the subject of race? Perhaps you should stop making blanket judgments about people you don't know. The only thing I'm uncomfortable with are pretentious films using simplistic story-telling to explain the human condition.



I'm sorry, but my original post stated that the text was so overt in this movie that it was comparable to having a caption appear every five minutes reminding the audience of the theme. You clearly believed that I hadn't understood the movie ("If you want things spelled out for you watch the teletubbies"), whereas the case was that I understood it and didn't need it constantly drummed into me by repetitive plotting.





Er, no. You've been prattling on about how you believed the movie used subtext. I've been prattling on about how I believe the movie did not. Obviously we've got very different views on what was stated and what was implied in this movie. You clearly felt that some of the stuff, that I believed was overtly stated, was significantly more subtle.



Sorry, I guess you're right. I obviously wasn't paying attention. It looked to be that the viewpoint of every central character was challenged and ultimately altered in the course of the film. Correct me if I'm wrong on this as, yes, I know that sounRAB incredibly unrealistic compared to 'life'.




Oh right! :rolleyes: So intertwining storylines have to carry the same beats, the same simple plot points? Uh. Seen Pulp Fiction? Or Go? Both could be reduced to the same general theme, both carry storylines that explore the theme differently.




:)




Isn't it? Taxi Driver is currently ranked 42nd on IMDB with a rating of 8.5. It came 20th in Empire's last Top 100 movies poll. Obviously a lot of people really like it and apparently more than the films I listed for you.
 
Um.... I'm quoting you actually. Like...



Yeah. Talk about one note :rolleyes: How could I ever make a blanket judgement based on that? :o



No I mentioned 'theme' later on. YOU clarified your point in your second post and said...



Not liking the film is fine. To say there's no subtext is kinda :o ing.



Well you clearly didn't/don't know what 'subtext' means. The teletubbies bit was meant as a joke. But now...
;)



You just denied my statement. The very NEXT sentenced you confirmed it!!!! :confused:
Again. When you clarified yourself you said... "Simply put, there was no subtext in the film".
SO... we're talking about subtext. And may I just say... you're doing a bang up job! :D



:yawn: People are challenged all the time in life. Some change. Some don't. We all know stubborn people who refuse to budge an inch *ahem!* :rolleyes: .
There are characters in this movie who's experience does not change them and there are those who we don't know will change. Assuming that they will change doen't make it so.



:sleep: Beat? The beat is down to the actors interpretation of the script.

KISS - Keep it Simple Stupid.

Make up your mind. If the film is 'simple' then it cannot be 'pretentious' also. You do get that right??



I didn't say 'Taxi Driver' didn't entertain! I said it was not just entertainment!

I need a guinness.
 
And you were soooooo right! Beautiful list. Thanks. :D



"Calm down dear. Its just a commercial."
I like the film too. :D



Geez the rest of the movies you listed as 'superior' have gone MIA by you it seems. :mad: Never leave a man behind! I'm disapointed you only mentioned the one with the highest rating. :o Typical. Oh well.
I await further spinning.



I wasn't focusing on the 'ill-effects'. YOU were/are. And if that's all you saw, then I feel even more sorry for you. Adult film. Adult themes.
Its not the Teletubbies ya know :D



(I hear violins playing) Ignorant? What you mean like...



Of course much later on you amended that slightly to...



You spinmeister you! :D
 
I hope no one is getting confused by another film called Crash that was released a few years ago starring James Spader and Holly Hunter (and was a wee bit naughty) ;)
 
I saw Crash recently and really enjoyed it although I did worry at bit that I was laughing when no-one else did. I suspect that I laughed at the characters being racist to each other.

There was Don Cheadle's character saying Hispanics always park their cars on their lawns. Don Cheadle's female colleague/lover being sarcastic to the oriental lady that had crashed into her.

I found those bits funny although I could see they were offensive but compared to what you could hear at most English football matches, some pubs etc pretty mild.

It was an excellent thought provoking film though I think those reviews that stated that the racism shown was shocking must lead very sheltered lives.

For what it's worth in the US I'd be Hispanic and my GFs Asian (UK definition) so I do have some insight into what it's like to be on the receiving end of racist attitudes.

IMHO I think it's fortunate that here in the UK we're not as self concious about race as they are in the States.
 
I'm going on what you've written. If you want to get further in depth I'll start up another thread if you like.

Insignificant. Yeah right. You've written enough hot air to keep a ballon up for years.
But hey... keep banging on about this 'insignificant movie'. We're having a ball.



Actually you said...



:D



What previous point! You asked me for forgiveness! Lot's of things are implied through subtext. And hey... I'm not repeating it all again.



Hey. Its not a difficult film to get. But by reading your posts you obviously need the teletubbies movie NOW!



Nah... that's rubbish. Dictionary definition is better. You're just confusing yourself again.

sub
 
I understand how that would be confusing for you :rolleyes:

Why are you employing 'subtext' in your post? Is this gonna be part of a film script you're working on? Can I read it? :) Why can't you simply say what you mean?



Don't be daft. You got it right first time with the theatre explanation. It's exactly the same with cinema. As for the rest of that paragraph :confused:

Click here: simply scripts glossary



Well its widely used by everyone who's serious about making films. ESPECIALLY students! I first read it in a David Mamet book "On directing film". Which is around here somewhere...
(Don't think he used the pedantic coma though :D )



Riiight. And one of the definitions for 'simple' is...
"Unassuming or unpretentious; not affected."

SO. Lemme cut and past that little diddy again... :D






I said 'maybe'....


AND I was talking about Crash. NOT Taxi Driver.
(EDIT: gee... I was thinking about this and realised you made an error. That's so unlike you :rolleyes: )

Ok. Your right :cry:. You got me. I'm just gonna pack my bags and.... HOLD THE PHONE!!! What's this.....?

Hmmm... your IMDB has given Crash 8.6/10. Taxi Driver's got 8.5/10.

Hey, I like Taxi Driver better, but... this is a solid source. :eek:

And look. Get it right. Its a film that's been deemed important to the USA and has been logged as such by being recommended as such in libraries. If other sources want to praise it too, then so be it. Its all good.



Oh NOW you start thinking! ;) ;)
 
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