"Concerned Citizens of the United States" Looking Out for Our Interests!

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Bricker said:
I gave one above.

The organization I support as a board member is responsible for helping mothers-to-be and mothers of newborns with clothes, diapers, food, baby furniture, vocational training, and language classes. We keep records of all our clients, the vast majority of which are illegal aliens.

A ne'er-do-well with access to my organization's records could easily compile a list similar to the one we're discussing here. And so far as I know, they could do it without violating any law.

I note again that my actual organization would never do any such thing, and in fact as a result of this discussion I am going to make sure we stop documenting residency status, so we would not be compelled to release information someday that could be used in this way; what you don't have, you can't be subpoenaed into providing.

But that's secondary to the question you asked.
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Fair enough, then. I can breathe now. Why on earth were you documenting their residency status in the first place?
 
Laudenum said:
I see nothing wrong with concerned citizens reporting illegals to the relevant authorities, no more than I would have a problem with a person who reported that their neighbour was a law-breaker.

It is the duty of every good citizen to report illegals and other lawbreakers, and not turn a blind eye to their activities.
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Sorry, we got no freedom here. At least not for wetbacks. But hey, if you're a European illegal, have a seat and let me get you a beer!
 
from here:
A letter, signed "Concerned Citizens of the United States," accompanied the list and reads, in part, that the writer "observes these individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare buildings."
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It's not clear whether the people named on the list are actually undocumented. One woman on the list, reached by local TV station KSL, said she's been a legal resident for years and is due to get her citizenship next month. Another person on the list, however, admitted to being in the country illegally.
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In reverse order: I find that statement a bit more credible than the quotes offered earlier. There's a huge difference, in my mind, between "No, I'm not here illegally," and "I've been a legal resident for years and am due to get my US citizenship next month." Obviously both are self-serving denials, but when you add in a easily-checked fact like that, in my view it gives much greater weight to the denial.

And then there's this business: "...the writer 'observes these individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare buildings.'"

I wonder if this was the work of a group of lone amateur stalker-types, following people and doing basic Internet research? It just seems like the kind of mistake that would come from seeing a person with brown skin entering a "public welfare" building and automatically assuming illegal status.
 
Ogre said:
Sorry, we got no freedom here. At least not for wetbacks. But hey, if you're a European illegal, have a seat and let me get you a beer!
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Never said that Europeans should be given a free ride (although, tbh, at this point, freedom of movement between the US and EU would not be troublsome in the least).
 
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Really Not All That Bright said:
Fair enough, then. I can breathe now. Why on earth were you documenting their residency status in the first place?
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Because in addition to providing services, we also act as a referral resource for state, county/city, and private programs other than ours. Some of those programs are only available to those people that can show a legal presence in Virginia, such as any Medicaid-funded aid or anything arising from state or local administration of programs mandated under 8 U.S.C.
 
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magellan01 said:
niblet_head said:
Lust4Life said:
niblet_head said:
Yeah, I always wonder why people suspect racism when immigrants are called invaders and characterized as coming to take your nice house from you. :rolleyes:

Someone who uses terms a hair's breadth away from racism, I have no problem believing they're racists.

Of course, YOU won't be able just "digest that fact" without a noxious belch, I'm sure.
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No, sorry but as usual you're full of shit.


You immediatley scream racism every time you haven't got any sort of logical argument to defend what you'd LIKE to believe.

You basically are a coward and a liar.
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I am roaring with laughter!! Omigod, you are hilarious!!!

Don't worry. I duly chagrined by your incisive arguments. Whatever you say.

(Hilarious!!)
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Translation: you got bitch-slapped silly and you got squat.

Maybe you should stick to the actual points being debated. Oh wait
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You can't advertise yourself as The Land of Opportunity and not expect the less fortunate to want to come and get some.
 
Bricker said:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...lleged_undocumented_immigrants_released_i.php
And then there's this business: "...the writer 'observes these individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare buildings.'"

I wonder if this was the work of a group of lone amateur stalker-types, following people and doing basic Internet research? It just seems like the kind of mistake that would come from seeing a person with brown skin entering a "public welfare" building and automatically assuming illegal status.
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Bingo.
 
Thge United States has never had "open immigration". Most of the people who came in the 19th and 20th Century were Europeans. There were even laws on the books stopping Chinese from coming to the USA for a period of time.

It is not easy for a spouse of a foreigner living abroad to come live in the USA. There are laws, rules, paperwork, waiting and fees. I don't like this, but that is the way it is.

When you go to a country, any country, there are laws pertaining immigration. You can't just move to another country, work and live there undocumented. That is not our system, or the system of any nation on the Planet. In many nations, it is easy for a foreigner to come and live, either the foreigner has special skills, or wishes amnesty from a hostile foreign government.

Let's just open the borders of the nation and just allow whomever to come from anywhere. Do away with citizenship requirements, job documentation, social security, and everything. Everyone in low level or menial work gets paid under the table so to speak, with no pesky minumum wage laws.

America right now is suffering from 10% unemployment. There is no job that an American "will not do". An American can make beds in hotels, be maids, pick fruit, construction, anything. There are many CITIZENS who are in the trades who want to work!

I think some here see Utah as a mostly white state who is trying to put the screws on the poor, mistreated brown Mexicans, when in fact, it is citizens who are tired of being undercut for jobs, having to deal with the uptick in crime, drunk drivers, excessive people in a house, their state being overburdened paying benefits and welfare to these ILLEGAL invaders, taxes that are being paid by LEGAL citizens.

Yeah ARIZONA. Yeah UTAH.
 
Laudenum said:
Never said that Europeans should be given a free ride (although, tbh, at this point, freedom of movement between the US and EU would not be troublsome in the least).
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We'll swap you some of our drunken East European immigrants for some of your hard-working, low-pay expecting wetbacks.
 
Do what those goddamned Mexicans do, or anyone else who wants to improve their standard of living... fuck off somewhere else if it's bothering you that much. I've heard the further north you get, the less Mexicans there are.
 
Really Not All That Bright said:
I think you might be reading too much into that.
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No, I'm not... I'm merely speculating. If I had confidently asserted it was a group of lone amateur stalker-types, following people and doing basic Internet research, THEN I'd be reading too much into it. And against the theory (again speculating) it just feels like the list is a bit too long for that to be the answer. 116 names? Sure, painstakingly compiled, one by one. Over a thousand? Doesn't seem as likely.
 
Skeleton10 said:
Actually that's a quote from long before the bong, it pertains to inbreading, and I guess he does fit my assessment of him, he said yes :D
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Not a "he," dickgarage.

Don't you have an asshole to be rimming? Or are you typing one-handed while the other one spreads the cheeks?
 
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