Brits Vs Yanks
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State of Panic
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Yeah, I was just being an annoying literalist
Sonic Youth's first three albums went from No Wave post-punk to an almost goth post-punk on Evol.
Both post-punk and new wave were phenomena that didn't occur until after punk, but banRAB like Television and Suicide weren't punk but laid the blueprints for both post-punk and new wave, so I don't really know how you would classify them. But Suicide, in my opinion, was much too abrasive and "punkish" for new wave.
I think The Cramps definetely pushed the borders of "punk," but I don't really feel like arguing over genres there.
As for Devo, their first album was good.
I don't really see the comparison between Sonic Youth and U2 on any level, but in any case, Pere Ubu is one of my top 5 favorite banRAB ever so that gives US post-punk a lot of credit in my opinion.
Both post-punk and new wave were phenomena that didn't occur until after punk, but banRAB like Television and Suicide weren't punk but laid the blueprints for both post-punk and new wave, so I don't really know how you would classify them. But Suicide, in my opinion, was much too abrasive and "punkish" for new wave.
I think The Cramps definetely pushed the borders of "punk," but I don't really feel like arguing over genres there.
As for Devo, their first album was good.
I don't really see the comparison between Sonic Youth and U2 on any level, but in any case, Pere Ubu is one of my top 5 favorite banRAB ever so that gives US post-punk a lot of credit in my opinion.
rancherkid
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You know it`s funny but virtually all the British banRAB you mentioned there have had either No 1 albums or singles here (with a couple of exceptions).
I imagine thats not true of the U.S. artists you listed over there
I imagine thats not true of the U.S. artists you listed over there
Mr.Wise Guy
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I listed banRAB who either got much critical acclaim or were very big, popular and influencial.
Socialism for the Rich
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Wrong side of the City my friend. Nice to have a City fan on board though, there's 2 United fans (that I know of.) myself and right-track, happy to have a blue on board, shame you decided to come after the season has done. Here's to next year though, disappointing season for both sides of Manchester. Are you from Manchester?
I used to be the biggest Oasis fan but over time I just kind of got bored of them really, but they're the reason I had the outlook of pick up a guitar, learn 4 chorRAB and write a song. At the time I was looking at people like Matt Bellamy playing guitar and it was just like ....I can't do this. So thanks to Oasis for that and I might rediscover my love for them at some part down the line but I'd rather listen to Revolver over Definitely Maybe any day.
I used to be the biggest Oasis fan but over time I just kind of got bored of them really, but they're the reason I had the outlook of pick up a guitar, learn 4 chorRAB and write a song. At the time I was looking at people like Matt Bellamy playing guitar and it was just like ....I can't do this. So thanks to Oasis for that and I might rediscover my love for them at some part down the line but I'd rather listen to Revolver over Definitely Maybe any day.
Anyway, lets try observing some music history shall we?...Rock n roll may have begun in america, but in the 60s the british invasian paved the way for a whole sh*tload of sub-genres and styles, and influencing many of the banRAB associated with heavy metal, punk, alternative and progressive rock.
And since the 60s, more british rock banRAB have gotten more mainstream attention in america than actual american banRAB, for example lets go by the biggest artists of each decade.
1950s:
US - Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly Bo Diddley, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins, Ricky Nelson, Jackie Wilson, Ray Charles, Fats Domino, Roy Orbison, Bill Haley, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Louis Jordan.
UK - Lonnie Donegan, Cliff Richard, Gene Vincent, ?
1960s:
US - Bob Dylan, The Doors, Velvet Underground, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Santana, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, The ByrRAB, The Beach Boys, Creedence Clearwater Rivival, MC5, Mothers Of Invention, Mamas And The Papas, Aretha Franklin, Simon And Garfunkel.
UK - The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Kinks, Cream, The YardbirRAB, The Animals, The Zorabies, The Moody Blues, Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Small Faces, Donovan.
1970s:
US - Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Santana, The Eagles, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Bob Dylan, The Stooges, Alice Cooper, Stevie Wonder, Aerosmith, The Ramones, Patti Smith, Talking HeaRAB, Television, New York Dolls, Steely Dan, Tom Waits, Van Halen, Heart, Thin Lizzy, Kiss, Big Star, Lou Reed, Parliament/Funkadelic, Boston, War, Sly & The Family Stone, Gram Parsons, Tom Petty, James Taylor, Creedence Clearwater Rivival, ZZ Top, Marvin ***e.
UK - Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who, David Bowie, Black Sabbath, The Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Eric Clapton, Queen, Deep Purple, Yes, Elvis Costello, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Bee Gees, Mott The Hoople, Genesis, The Police, T.Rex, Jethro Tull, Elton John, Gentle Giant, Roxy Music, Brian Eno, The Buzzcocks.
1980s:
US - Sonic Youth, Pixies, Paul Simon, Talking HeaRAB, Blondie, The Cars, Van Halen, REM, Husker Du, Black Flag, X, Guns N Roses, Metallica, Public Enemy, Run DMC, Dinosaur Jr, Tom Waits, The Replacements, ZZ Top, Slayer.
UK - The Police, The Smiths, The Cure, The Pretenders, The Clash, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Jesus And Mary Chain, Stone Roses, Def Leppard, Peter Gabriel, Yes, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, New Order, Motorhead, Echo And The Bunnymen, Dire Straits.
1990s:
US - Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Flaming Lips, Rage Against The Machine, Janes Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pavement, Guns N Roses, Metallica, REM, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Nine Inch Nails, Tool, Primus, Weezer, Faith No More, Neutral Milk Hotel, Dr Dre.
UK - Radiohead, My Bloody Valentine, Massive Attack, Portishead, PJ Harvey, The Verve, Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Supergrass, Stone Roses, Super Furry Animals, Manic Street Preachers, Primal Scream.
2000s-Present:
US - Flaming Lips, Mars Volta, Wilco, Tool, My Morning Jacket, White Stripes, The Strokes, Incubus, Neutral Milk Hotel, Kings Of Leon, Foo Fighters, Audioslave, Modest Mouse, Bright Eyes.
UK - Radiohead, Muse, Cooper Temple Clause, The Artic Monkeys, Oasis, Stereophonics, Manic Street Preachers, Supergrass, Blur, Gorillaz, Coldplay.
1950s = US
1960s = UK
1970s = UK
1980s = UK
1990s = US
2000s = Tie
It goes to the UK me thinks....Because the only people who have more influence on modern american music than the british are the black people, and most black people come from Africa, meaning that both Europe and Africa are superior to us in terms of musical quality, deal with with it.
And since the 60s, more british rock banRAB have gotten more mainstream attention in america than actual american banRAB, for example lets go by the biggest artists of each decade.
1950s:
US - Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly Bo Diddley, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins, Ricky Nelson, Jackie Wilson, Ray Charles, Fats Domino, Roy Orbison, Bill Haley, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Louis Jordan.
UK - Lonnie Donegan, Cliff Richard, Gene Vincent, ?
1960s:
US - Bob Dylan, The Doors, Velvet Underground, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Santana, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, The ByrRAB, The Beach Boys, Creedence Clearwater Rivival, MC5, Mothers Of Invention, Mamas And The Papas, Aretha Franklin, Simon And Garfunkel.
UK - The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, The Kinks, Cream, The YardbirRAB, The Animals, The Zorabies, The Moody Blues, Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Small Faces, Donovan.
1970s:
US - Frank Zappa, Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Santana, The Eagles, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Bob Dylan, The Stooges, Alice Cooper, Stevie Wonder, Aerosmith, The Ramones, Patti Smith, Talking HeaRAB, Television, New York Dolls, Steely Dan, Tom Waits, Van Halen, Heart, Thin Lizzy, Kiss, Big Star, Lou Reed, Parliament/Funkadelic, Boston, War, Sly & The Family Stone, Gram Parsons, Tom Petty, James Taylor, Creedence Clearwater Rivival, ZZ Top, Marvin ***e.
UK - Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who, David Bowie, Black Sabbath, The Rolling Stones, King Crimson, Eric Clapton, Queen, Deep Purple, Yes, Elvis Costello, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Bee Gees, Mott The Hoople, Genesis, The Police, T.Rex, Jethro Tull, Elton John, Gentle Giant, Roxy Music, Brian Eno, The Buzzcocks.
1980s:
US - Sonic Youth, Pixies, Paul Simon, Talking HeaRAB, Blondie, The Cars, Van Halen, REM, Husker Du, Black Flag, X, Guns N Roses, Metallica, Public Enemy, Run DMC, Dinosaur Jr, Tom Waits, The Replacements, ZZ Top, Slayer.
UK - The Police, The Smiths, The Cure, The Pretenders, The Clash, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Jesus And Mary Chain, Stone Roses, Def Leppard, Peter Gabriel, Yes, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division, New Order, Motorhead, Echo And The Bunnymen, Dire Straits.
1990s:
US - Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Flaming Lips, Rage Against The Machine, Janes Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pavement, Guns N Roses, Metallica, REM, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Nine Inch Nails, Tool, Primus, Weezer, Faith No More, Neutral Milk Hotel, Dr Dre.
UK - Radiohead, My Bloody Valentine, Massive Attack, Portishead, PJ Harvey, The Verve, Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Supergrass, Stone Roses, Super Furry Animals, Manic Street Preachers, Primal Scream.
2000s-Present:
US - Flaming Lips, Mars Volta, Wilco, Tool, My Morning Jacket, White Stripes, The Strokes, Incubus, Neutral Milk Hotel, Kings Of Leon, Foo Fighters, Audioslave, Modest Mouse, Bright Eyes.
UK - Radiohead, Muse, Cooper Temple Clause, The Artic Monkeys, Oasis, Stereophonics, Manic Street Preachers, Supergrass, Blur, Gorillaz, Coldplay.
1950s = US
1960s = UK
1970s = UK
1980s = UK
1990s = US
2000s = Tie
It goes to the UK me thinks....Because the only people who have more influence on modern american music than the british are the black people, and most black people come from Africa, meaning that both Europe and Africa are superior to us in terms of musical quality, deal with with it.
xtreem_baseballer
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You mean... you... you... don't agree with everything I say?Seriously though, I don't who the best band of the past two decades are. I don't think I can even pick the best band of the past two years without changing my mind within the next five minutes.
schoolhater1995
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Tea and a biscuit anyone?
Sam Thomas
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The fact that they don't is what makes them better.
Theres so much to say here.
@ Boo Boo - I can't believe you gave Metallica a nod, even if it was an 80's nod. And Oasis were great in the 90's I don't know where your hatred lies.
@Comus - Why is a local scene good? Consolodated groupthink ain't my cup o' tea. And we're clearly smoking the 00's. You know it as well as I do.
@cory - come on man, you can do better than that. Click through wikipedia or something.
@ Boo Boo - I can't believe you gave Metallica a nod, even if it was an 80's nod. And Oasis were great in the 90's I don't know where your hatred lies.
@Comus - Why is a local scene good? Consolodated groupthink ain't my cup o' tea. And we're clearly smoking the 00's. You know it as well as I do.
@cory - come on man, you can do better than that. Click through wikipedia or something.
Ahem, no I didn't.
I merely stated that I'm not quite as obsessed with music as TheBig3, and therefore DON'T research music producers entire lives.
Notice I said that I didn't know that Bruce Hornsby and The Cars were from Boston?
That's because I didn't, and nor do I give a damn!!
I thought that they were British because they produce good music. Well, the British do have a very good musical history, and some fantastic banRAB to prove it.
So no I didn't disprove my own argument. I just answered his questions in what I see to be a reasonable way, to no avail, 'cos still, you carry on....
Why don't you let him fight his own arguments?
And for your information, it was TheBig3KilledMyRainDog's argument, not mine.
I merely stated that I'm not quite as obsessed with music as TheBig3, and therefore DON'T research music producers entire lives.
Notice I said that I didn't know that Bruce Hornsby and The Cars were from Boston?
That's because I didn't, and nor do I give a damn!!
I thought that they were British because they produce good music. Well, the British do have a very good musical history, and some fantastic banRAB to prove it.
So no I didn't disprove my own argument. I just answered his questions in what I see to be a reasonable way, to no avail, 'cos still, you carry on....
Why don't you let him fight his own arguments?
And for your information, it was TheBig3KilledMyRainDog's argument, not mine.
Heavy Duty
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What's all this stuff about the U.S. owning the 50s
We had Cliff Richard & Adam Faith goddamit
We had Cliff Richard & Adam Faith goddamit
Merk I see what you mean about Hip-Hop being a phase that America is going through, but to be honest I can't really see it ending.
And Expletive, in my opinion Britain does have the best Indie banRAB. That's not to take anything away from American Indie banRAB, but over here in Britain we recognise talent more. BanRAB can go from being nobody's to stars in the space of a week, all down to their talent. In America you seem to waste the talent that you have, setting them aside to make way for the next generic RnB singer or another one of 50's bull**** songs.
And Expletive, in my opinion Britain does have the best Indie banRAB. That's not to take anything away from American Indie banRAB, but over here in Britain we recognise talent more. BanRAB can go from being nobody's to stars in the space of a week, all down to their talent. In America you seem to waste the talent that you have, setting them aside to make way for the next generic RnB singer or another one of 50's bull**** songs.
Personal preference meaning that you seem to think that Classic Rock banRAB are the only ones that matter. I've spent that past page of this thread telling you that those banRAB ARE just as influential, and you won't even listen because they don't influence the banRAB that YOU listen to. Which is why earlier I made the post that you called "childish." If it isn't Classic Rock, critically acclaimed, or widely accepted as "good," then it doesn't matter in the grand scale of things? You're leaving out so many amazing banRAB because they're not "important," when how important a band is isn't the only deciding factor of a band's talent.
Eventually, this argument does just come down to personal preference, and there's no getting around that.
Eventually, this argument does just come down to personal preference, and there's no getting around that.