BitHQ's Wall of Shame

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OK, now I am clear. (Odd that I missed that thread, well, not really, sometimes I do not login here for a bit.)

So, you are a 'cheater' with a slow line and a large rationalization. :)
 
Christ, what a bunch of drama and whatnot going on in here. Even up to Java ranting an unreleased tracker source code, based on how Vuze eats your RAM.

Be happy BitHQ announces this stuff. Now you know that you shouldn't use the anymore. Not if you're a cheater, and not if you're not a cheater. I don't want a 'public' announcement of my username + email/IP on a site, so I'll just quit using it when they implant this crap. And no, I don't cheat, but I'm pretty sure that even this glorious masterscript will make an error every now and then. No thanks.

Everything would be so easy if everyone applied this method. It would make a pretty good site kill itself, and it would save people from having to cry like 3-years-olds in this thread.
 
We can see that on the main page:

You cheat? You'll bleed!

There is a never-ending struggle going on between private trackers and people who think to gain something by cheating. Well, let us inform you, cheaters do not gain anything by cheating. In fact, it is so easy to maintain a decent ratio on BitHQ, you shouldn't even have to cheat.

Cheaters will eventually always be caught up with. Sometimes it takes a while, and sometimes they get identified fast. We are aware of certain active cheat-promoting websites (such as a certain German one, located in Luxembourgh), cheatprograms such as RM, PMR, WM and so on.. Don't worry, we know what to look for. The BitHQ staff is always actively searching for those who try to cheat the system, and they get a lot of help from a big share of fair playing users along the way: nobody likes cheaters.

BitHQ recently got some new tools to it's proposal, and will likely add a few more in the near future. And with these we also added this current page, the 'Wall of Shame', where you really do not wish to be seen on as a cheater. We will show usernames, IP addresses, used emails and so on of those who tried to cheat us. If you end up on this page, you will not be seen only to BitHQ members but you will be seen by virtually the whole wide world as people will not have to be a member to see the Wall of Shame. We all know how Google works, try to get yourself removed from that once the page gets indexed ;)

If you don't cheat, you have nothing to worry. Only people from whom we are 100% sure they cheat, we will show these details. If you give back what you took, like you should when torrenting (after all, if nobody shares, there wouldn't be much people interesting in giving either), you have nothing to fear.

If you are a cheater, and think to yourself "Ha! But I use a fake email address, a fake IP address or whatever", then rest assured, every change you make is stored in the system and will end up on our Wall of Shame.

Trust us, you do not wish to be listed here. It's your own choice to try and cheat here..

To the owners of other communities: feel free to use the data below as you see fit, we know for sure you don't like to have these people in your community either ;)
Wall of Shame

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bithq is probably the best private bittorrent site for grabbing full dvds and blurays... i think they'll be just fine without you.

in other news, they have the first cheater's info listed on the wall.
 
OlegL said:
But they wrote: "Only people from whom we are 100% sure they cheat, we will show these details." So, bithq staffers show the same respect to their members that what.cd staffers show to theirs. If it's proven that someone is a cheater, he/she will get banned from either tracker.
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Except, only one of those trackers demeans and mocks the people at fault publicly. Toting the ability to expose someone online is as bad as the cheating behavior itself. People's punishment for cheating is and has always been banning them from the tracker (and others, too). However, exposing people like this is wrong and if everybody else thinks it's fair because it's a simple pseudonym, I dare you to do it to yourself first.

Imagine how bad it could be if governmental bodies decided to release all the information they had on someone who is a 100% convict. Sinking to the level of scum only makes you scum.
 
The first thing that came to my mind was gaming server's "Wall of Shame". Several servers post IP, game username of "caught" cheaters. So, it's nothing really new.

If they say they'll look deeply into each case before making it public, then i'll believe them to begin with. If you don't like it you can shouldn't join the tracker, or leave the tracker...not worth bitching about it.
 
echohead said:
this "wall of shame" is a way to fairly deal with people who took it upon themselves to disrespect a site and its peers, as well as possibly the beginnings of a way for private trackers to publicly share email and ip blocklists with each other. the process of adding people to the list obviously wont be automated, so one can only assume that the root of peoples' concerns is that other sites will add the wall of shame ip/email info to their blacklists. and they should. disagreeing with an uninformed, selfishly motivated opinion doesnt make me a "troll" -- it makes you seem childish for using the "I'm rubber and you're glue" argument to justify why cheaters should be given second and third chances to poison bittorrent swarms.

but then again, i suppose i could end up coming back to this topic and apologizing to you if im ever make the "mistake" of burning through my 500 GB buffer on bithq. also i dont see how being "bum-raped" would affect me, since im not and have never been homeless ;)
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Touche. Your first reasonable argument. How about these two extremely reasonable pointers:

1) Give me one legitimate way by which a cheater hurts, rather in your own words "poisons", a swarm. The swarm will be just as active with or without him. He only stands to benefit himself, and hurt no one.

2) Do you think What's system is unreasonable? Dealing by people in a simple case by case basis when they have 100,000 members seems a tad much, but if you're not made of enough patience and perseverance to work for the better good of even the rotten eggs in a society then you shouldn't be running a tracker at all. (Not you directly, staffers in general). If you truly care about the health of the tracker and its community, you will try to help everyone, including those who have made mistakes. Being an active/helpful member doesn't need much if you're only willing to provide those resources to the people who don't need it, like the non-cheaters.

As I said before, the pros on the circuit will go around and keep waffling (or whatever it is they call it) and avoiding all efforts to catch them. You'll only harm the people you could have helped this way.

I hope you can see that I'm resorting to my last ounce of remaining patience/civility. Should you choose to mock the entire situation one more time, I'll have to sink to the same level. And I assure you, I am funny when responding to witless remarks.
 
Originally Posted by echohead
cheaters are just crying over privacy out of fear that they could legitimately lose accounts on several sites if their info gets posted on bithq.
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Funny.You know what would be even funnier?Tracker staff ignoring your public list because they are not idiot enough to ban somebody because of a statement made on your tracker:happy:
 
ringhunter said:
1) Give me one legitimate way by which a cheater hurts, rather in your own words "poisons", a swarm. The swarm will be just as active with or without him. He only stands to benefit himself, and hurt no one.
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If everyone started cheating, there would be nothing to download/upload. So, of course, cheaters poison swarms.
 
I should not really get involved, but alas, i cant help myself lol

1 cheater probably doesnt hurt a swarm, but i uploaded a 10 gig torrent 2 days ago, i only have 80KBs upload, so its going to take me 2 days to seed the thing, someone jumps on and helps me seed, he is uploading at 200KBs i think great (this is all true btw).

Now if i was not the owner, so could not see behind the scenes, I may have thought, great i will turn my PC off tonight, I have help, then i will jump on again in the morning, and by then, quite a lot of the leechers will have a huge chunk of this, only to find out, the other "seeder" has uploaded 6 gig and no one else got anything.

I did PM the member in question, and he gave me a bullshit story about hackers on his line, but i let him keep his account and warned him I would be watching him like a hawk.

if there are 1000 seeders/1000 leechers, they yes 1 cheater wont harm it, but its more about etiquete then harming stuff, why should that 1 member get away with not uploading 1 byte of that torrent, when 1999 others have to.

I would say that most cheaters either cheat because

A: they dont want to get banned
B: they can make a buffer and then hit and run on other torrents
C: they want to get to a higher class, to get invites, so they can trade for better/other trackers

But a lot also do it just because they can, I wont lie we get our fair share of cheats, even members that want to cheat the wait time to get SP (even though they cant), so most are just impatient and bone idle (even though letting your client seed for awhile is probably less work than actual cheating lol)

As for this wall of shame, its entirely up to them what they do, but I for one wont be adding anything to it, I just dont agree with making it public, with IPs and Emails listed for everyone to see. There are ways and means of doing this, and to me, this is not the way, but up to them like i said.
 
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