BitHQ's Wall of Shame

ringhunter said:
Except, only one of those trackers demeans and mocks the people at fault publicly. Toting the ability to expose someone online is as bad as the cheating behavior itself. People's punishment for cheating is and has always been banning them from the tracker (and others, too). However, exposing people like this is wrong and if everybody else thinks it's fair because it's a simple pseudonym, I dare you to do it to yourself first.

Imagine how bad it could be if governmental bodies decided to release all the information they had on someone who is a 100% convict. Sinking to the level of scum only makes you scum.
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Okay, would it be a stupid thing to say that it's possible to survive on any tracker without cheating?
 
Shitlist, banlist, all the same. I was browsing through some forums(bt related) and they publicly (no registration)list scam/trader IP's. Some IP's,email,nicknames are listed for pissing the mods off or being rude on the forum. That seems harsh. Was TI.something I forget.

anon-sbi said:
But doesn't that turn it into a simple ban list..? :happy:
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Punkbuster, Valve VAC integration at times, most gaming leagues, AA fiascos a few years back etc. Adnuo. Doesn't make it right at all, either.

chinchi11as said:
If they say they'll look deeply into each case before making it public, then i'll believe them to begin with. If you don't like it you can shouldn't join the tracker, or leave the tracker...not worth bitching about it.
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I understand and had decided to go by this before I even made my first reply in this thread. I really hope there is some sort of chance of retribution for the people that can be helped/understood, though. It would be a waste pulling the plug on a bunch of potential good users because people think the time/effort put in is not worth the gains.
 
OlegL said:
Okay, would it be a stupid thing to say that it's possible to survive on any tracker without cheating?
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Depends on ISP.

But cheating is not the way to take,also what BitHQ is going to do is more fucked up.
 
someone posted this link in an irc channel, and im glad they did; not because i learned something but because of the hilarious pro-cheater comments posted so far.

the only people complaining about this have either:

1. been kicked off bithq for cheating, or
2. never been on bithq, and have a history of cheating on other sites

...period.



bithq is a source media site, meaning that (with very few exceptions) the site only indexes full DVDs, full Blu-ray discs, and the occasional piece of software. there is little reason for cheaters to download movies of that size and at that level of quality. bithq is also one of the easiest private trackers to maintain ratio on -- they have an insane amount of freeleech, which includes just about every bluray and a large percentage of unique/special dvds.

i hope this "wall of shame" idea gets implemented on other sites. if you cant follow the rules and seed back, get off bittorrent and pay for a unsenet subscription.
 
What would concern me is the implementation. Here is an in concreto , albeit completely empirical example:

I joined a tracker. This tracker tracked "apps". I meandered around a bit and choose something to download that I had no interest in but for the time being would be good to get myself started with. The next day I checked in, or attempted to, and found some pathetic puerile tripe, in the form of a message using vulgarities and slang; the best I could discern, it accused me of 'cheating'. I turned to "IdolEyes" for an explanation, as I am not internet savvy about such matters. He confirmed my suspicions. Do I?, have I?, do I even have knowledge of how to CHEAT? Nope. In no way. "IdolEyes" and I reasoned that it was the seedbox that I employed. He advised contacting them and informing them that I had a seedbox and that it was the answer to the issue at hand. I choose not to based on the "mesage/accusation" that I read. But I wonder if they had slapped good ole "Aristocles" onto some sort of list what might have been the consequences? I have, for the most part informed any tracker that I am a member of that I have a seedbox, now- as per "IdolEyes'" advice. Live and learn. Perhaps this is meaningless, as the policy in question is intended to be implemented in such a way as to avoid the above. If so then take this as the ramblings of a bored mind.
 
ringhunter said:
1) Give me one legitimate way by which a cheater hurts, rather in your own words "poisons", a swarm. The swarm will be just as active with or without him. He only stands to benefit himself, and hurt no one.

2) Do you think What's system is unreasonable? Dealing by people in a simple case by case basis when they have 100,000 members seems a tad much, but if you're not made of enough patience and perseverance to work for the better good of even the rotten eggs in a society then you shouldn't be running a tracker at all. (Not you directly, staffers in general). If you truly care about the health of the tracker and its community, you will try to help everyone, including those who have made mistakes. Being an active/helpful member doesn't need much if you're only willing to provide those resources to the people who don't need it, like the non-cheaters.

As I said before, the pros on the circuit will go around and keep waffling (or whatever it is they call it) and avoiding all efforts to catch them. You'll only harm the people you could have helped this way.

I hope you can see that I'm resorting to my last ounce of remaining patience/civility. Should you choose to mock the entire situation one more time, I'll have to sink to the same level. And I assure you, I am funny when responding to witless remarks.
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1) Many cheaters turn off their upload entirely, some of their client mods have this functionality built in. Why bother seeding when you can just fudge the numbers? Not only does this decrease the number of actual seeds in the swarm, but can at times lead to more hashfails for the regular users depending on the sophistication of the cheating tool.

2) While publicly posting their IPs is in bad taste, you must be aware that these sorts of details are constantly passed around. There are entire forums/subforums and IRC channels dedicated towards this sort of thing. (Pro tip: what sort of things do you think get posted in torrent celeb forums?).

I have no respect for these people who go against the very spirit of P2P and the spirit of the system. As far as I'm concerned, they can fuck right back off to the pirate bay, newsgroups, etc if they don't want to bother seeding. Compared to trading, cheating is about a hundred times worse, as at least a trader might legitimately use their account. Cheaters leech a place dry for the sport of it. If your upload speed is so terrible you can't participate in a system where you're meant to share back, perhaps private BT isn't the right filesharing method for you. There are many others. Or hell... use a ratioless tracker! There are a million of those these days for all sorts of content, and plenty others with bonus systems to help those with poor upload speeds.

If someone is new to torrenting, perhaps they'll see a board like this and be like "hey, trading is ok". They might not know any better. Cheating, on the other hand, requires a conscious decision on your part to break tracker rules you know are being broken. There's no one who "accidentally" cheats. You have to go seek out the methods and install them on your machine.

As for someone being "nice" determining their character... some of the most upstanding people I know are total jackasses, and some of the nicest people I've met are liars, criminals, thieves, and idiots. Welcome to the real world.
 
Or ... spend 10$ on a seedbox and buffer the shit out of trackers and hit and run on everything.I wonder whats the difference between the two methods.

ca_aok said:
(Pro tip: what sort of things do you think get posted in torrent celeb forums?)
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I believe sharing info including IP address,email etc publically is the issue here.

and lol at the java blah blah blah cheat detection.My ass.
 
since youre obviously not aware of its existence, allow me to introduce you to shadowolf. its a bittorrent tracker very close to being completed, and will be used on many prominent trackers.

what makes shadowolf different is that its 1) written in java, 2) highly secure even by private tracker standards, and 3) has built-in automatic cheater detection. the cheater detection is highly accurate and error-proof, so these "pro" cheaters you speak so highly of will be either banned from the sites in question, or will have to write a completely new cheating program that takes advantage of an exploit in the world's only java bittorrent tracker.

ringhunter said:
I hope you can see that I'm resorting to my last ounce of remaining patience/civility. Should you choose to mock the entire situation one more time, I'll have to sink to the same level. And I assure you, I am funny when responding to witless remarks.
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heres the thing. youre a tool arguing in favor of cheaters being allowed to keep doing what they do, and i couldnt give less of a shit about anything you have to say. have fun arguing with someone that posted here 4 times.
 
Wrong on both accounts, and I hope you realize that you're simply trolling or are being incredibly droll just because you think you're in the right. I'm raising a legitimate point here, but you've dubbed me as pro-cheater or a cheater myself. It's not your way or the highway believe it or not. If you are morally accepting of the fact that a user can be bum-raped because they make a mistake (knowingly or not) then I hope it goes around and bites you in the bum eventually when someone finds enough morality, or lack thereof, to do the same to you.

Again, I will attempt to make this sound as sane as possible. The punishment for account/system abuse is the loss of the account in question. It's an equal and opposite reaction to a largely offensive/abusive action. Publicly demeaning users will never be a solution, the people you are truly hurting are the ones who are in the experimental range, not knowing whether they should cheat or not, and largely ignorant to how to hide it properly. By doing this, you're pushing them over the edge, instead of offering to reason with them as you should.

OlegL said:
Okay, would it be a stupid thing to say that it's possible to survive on any tracker without cheating?
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I have never cheated and keep a (near) perfect record of every kb uploaded/accounted for (seedbox statements, monthly bw etc), in case issues like cheating come up with any given staff. I have survived on every site I've wanted to be a member of using a combination of patience/money and I doubt anyone legitimately has a problem which hinders sharing to the point of being forced to cheat.

However, I'm still willing to accept that there might be a possibility that someone is in such a situation; the solution is to try and help them, offer them alternatives etc. NOT to simply let them cheat. If people like Anon himself don't cheat 100% of the time, that's the biggest slap in the face for people who believe cheaters are inherently evil.

Give me a choice any day, and I'd rather be an acquaintance of a cheater rather than someone who chooses public humiliation as a solution to any given problem.

:closedeye
 
ringhunter said:
If people like Anon himself don't cheat 100% of the time, that's the biggest slap in the face for people who believe cheaters are inherently evil.
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Are you saying that because Anon doesn't cheat 100% of the time, it wouldn't be a true thing to say that cheaters are inherently evil? :) I am actually really surprised that Anon is a cheater. He seems like a totally nice guy. I don't know why he decided to embrace darkness. :) It doesn't make sense to me that he cheats because his upload speed is 25 kB/sec or a little lower/higher than that.
 
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