BitHQ's Wall of Shame

Polarbear said:
How many full Blu-Rays are tracked?
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I didn't see a Blu-ray category so I searched for "bd" since this was in all the full bluray titles it seemed (this introduced a few results that were not blurays, but not many from what I checked). This search gave me 480 results, all "goodies" or freeleech.
 
Is that the tracker that oorza is coding? I was under the impression it was sorta stalled due to lack of free time. By the way, XBTT has built in cheat detection as well (a rather basic system), at least the last build I was playing around with did. We're talking basic on the level of "this user is uploading faster than he should be", which can then be followed up with a check for a seedbox, etc. But it'd be interesting if he's come up with some robust detection methods. There's also a possibility that Ocelot will be released at some point, though everything I've been told leads me to believe that project is stalled at the moment as well.
 
Correct. If a coder himself finds enough reason to play the rules of the game every now and then, that's proof enough that cheaters are reasonable people that should be reasoned with and not just scrapped. People, whether respectable or not given the eye of the beholder, are not disposable. Any tracker that runs with a modicum of that dogma isn't worth any respect in return.

OlegL said:
I am actually really surprised that Anon is a cheater. He seems like a totally nice guy. I don't know why he decided to embrace darkness. :) It doesn't make sense to me that he cheats because his upload speed is 25 kB/sec or a little lower/higher than that.
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Google his name and check out the 5th result if you're interested in finding out more. Be smart, though, you don't want it to look like you're snooping around for cheats. Taboo, bad luck etc. :yes:
 
And that constitutes my orderly exit out of BitHQ. If a site doesn't respect its members (even the rotten eggs) it deserves no respect/time given back. Most cheaters that should be treated like this are the ones that do it for the fun of the chase. However, most others have reasons. I respect What so much more with their explanation/hearing people out system rather than a place that aims to turn a person's life miserable for faking a couple of numbers.
 
echohead said:
the cheater detection is highly accurate and error-proof
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Wow cool, then there's nothing to worry about. I really want to join BitHQ now. I'm already a member of HDBits but now I believe BitHQ is much better. I'm going to delete my HDBits account as soon as I join.

Just one little question. It will never ever happen, that this cheater detection incorrectly flags an account, will it? I mean it's 100% error free, right? You gave it a long test run before and it's perfect.

The guy who coded OINK's anti-cheat script (which is believed one of the bests until today) once said: there's is no 100% correct cheater detection. Every client can have a hickup once in a while and there will always be accounts that are wrongly flagged.

I guess you made it. You developed the first 100% error free software. Gongrats. How come I never heard of the tracker before when they have such excellent coders?

First I was a little worried. Hey, I mean all my personal data could be published when your cheater detection had some bugs.

But you know what. I trust your coders. You totally convinced me that you're the first one to achieve an 100% error free anti cheat script. You're right to be proud about it.

Please someone invite me to BitHQ.
 
You seem to think that resorting to childish semantics is akin to winning an argument. You think righteousness is synonymous with being right, and anyone who disagrees with you due to moral implications is either a tool or a cheater. Decorum is fine, as long as you accept the fact that some people have issues with what you're doing for reasons other than you think they have.

By the way, good job stepping down from infantile wit right down to verbal animosity. How many arguments has that won you?

ca_aok said:
ringhunter said:
1) Give me one legitimate way by which a cheater hurts, rather in your own words "poisons", a swarm. The swarm will be just as active with or without him. He only stands to benefit himself, and hurt no one.

2) Do you think What's system is unreasonable? Dealing by people in a simple case by case basis when they have 100,000 members seems a tad much, but if you're not made of enough patience and perseverance to work for the better good of even the rotten eggs in a society then you shouldn't be running a tracker at all. (Not you directly, staffers in general). If you truly care about the health of the tracker and its community, you will try to help everyone, including those who have made mistakes. Being an active/helpful member doesn't need much if you're only willing to provide those resources to the people who don't need it, like the non-cheaters.

As I said before, the pros on the circuit will go around and keep waffling (or whatever it is they call it) and avoiding all efforts to catch them. You'll only harm the people you could have helped this way.

I hope you can see that I'm resorting to my last ounce of remaining patience/civility. Should you choose to mock the entire situation one more time, I'll have to sink to the same level. And I assure you, I am funny when responding to witless remarks.
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1) Many cheaters turn off their upload entirely, some of their client mods have this functionality built in. Why bother seeding when you can just fudge the numbers? Not only does this decrease the number of actual seeds in the swarm, but can at times lead to more hashfails for the regular users depending on the sophistication of the cheating tool.

2) While publicly posting their IPs is in bad taste, you must be aware that these sorts of details are constantly passed around. There are entire forums/subforums and IRC channels dedicated towards this sort of thing. (Pro tip: what sort of things do you think get posted in torrent celeb forums?).

I have no respect for these people who go against the very spirit of P2P and the spirit of the system. As far as I'm concerned, they can fuck right back off to the pirate bay, newsgroups, etc if they don't want to bother seeding. Compared to trading, cheating is about a hundred times worse, as at least a trader might legitimately use their account. Cheaters leech a place dry for the sport of it. If your upload speed is so terrible you can't participate in a system where you're meant to share back, perhaps private BT isn't the right filesharing method for you. There are many others. Or hell... use a ratioless tracker! There are a million of those these days for all sorts of content, and plenty others with bonus systems to help those with poor upload speeds.

If someone is new to torrenting, perhaps they'll see a board like this and be like "hey, trading is ok". They might not know any better. Cheating, on the other hand, requires a conscious decision on your part to break tracker rules you know are being broken. There's no one who "accidentally" cheats. You have to go seek out the methods and install them on your machine.

As for someone being "nice" determining their character... some of the most upstanding people I know are total jackasses, and some of the nicest people I've met are liars, criminals, thieves, and idiots. Welcome to the real world.
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1) I understand. It was more of a pointer to remind him that cheaters while not adhering to the rules are still not doing as much damage as they are made out to be. Some trackers run with minimal cheating detection/repercussions and are still alive and kicking.

2) I'm on a couple of torrent celeb forums myself and I've seen the thread issues; I've heard of the things that come up on p2pg and the irc chans as well. I understand the necessity of trackers holding hand in hand to provide as much effort repelling cheating efforts as are made by the other party proliferating them. It's one big melting pot and everyone's doing their job, I have no gripes with that.

Accidental cheating without tools happens all the time with multiple trackers per torrent entry in uT etc. and a bunch of other "innocent" acts that could be noted as cheating. No cheat detection system is 100% proof, and a fair bit of the time innocent users are caught in the backfire of these systems. What happens when a user like that (like myself and TL, or Aristocles and whatever tracker he had problems with) are posted for the public to see? See, I have no problems with paying for my mistakes, and I'm sure cheaters who do it knowingly understand the consequences and carry out their actions after being informed of the risks. Just as it's stupid to assume that all traders do it knowing that it's wrong, a lot of cheaters do it without knowing it's wrong either.

Let me just explain my perspective really quickly: I ran a game hacking business not too long back, it is now defunct, but I did come across a lot of people that used my hacks just because they saw everyone else doing it and thought it was the norm. The large majority (over 90%) of gaming communities forbid this behavior, but in their perspective, it was the norm. I'm sure Anon has similar stories to share about how he knows someone cheated without knowing it's wrong, or because they saw someone link to it off-forum and thought it would be cool to try out.

Blatantly assuming that all cheaters do it knowingly and intentionally hurt the trackers is stupid. As I said, I'm not defending cheaters, I'm defending the infinitesimally small minority of them that could see the light/turn around/are reasonable/don't know it's wrong.

As for the last part of your post; your fault for hunting for honor among thieves. ;)
 
Radon0r said:
I didn't see a Blu-ray category so I searched for "bd" since this was in all the full bluray titles it seemed (this introduced a few results that were not blurays, but not many from what I checked). This search gave me 480 results, all "goodies" or freeleech.
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Thanks for looking. HDBits has 2737 Blu-Rays.
 
its stalled (for the time being), but from what ive been told its my understanding that its close to being finished anyway.

stoi said:
Personally, that is the first time i have heard of that java tracker, lets see how it does when it is released but PHP and mysql and C are lightweight and can handle lots of peers and connections, java if azureus is anything to go by cant.
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actually java was chosen intentionally because it handles larger numbers of peers better than C/mysql/PHP... its not as efficient for smaller swarms, but for larger sites java apparently works better.

AbyBeats said:
I believe sharing info including IP address,email etc publically is the issue here.
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The issue is that people are completely ignoring this:
BitHQ said:
Only people from whom we are 100% sure they cheat, we will show these details.
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...for the sake of being able to claim there will be a flood of innocent people accused of cheating that have their personal information exposed. In reality what will happen is that any account flagged as "cheating" will be carefully reviewed before any information is added to the wall of shame, and a fair number of legitimate cheaters will be blacklisted from several private sites.

AlyBeats said:
and lol at the java blah blah blah cheat detection.My ass.
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you're right, im talking out of my ass and this is all a joke. http://code.google.com/p/shadowolf/

Polarbear said:
Wow cool, then there's nothing to worry about. I really want to join BitHQ now. I'm already a member of HDBits but now I believe BitHQ is much better. I'm going to delete my HDBits account as soon as I join.
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There is some overlap between HDBits and BitHQ, but for the most part they serve two completely different purposes. You'd know that if you were on either one.

Polarbear said:
Just one little question. It will never ever happen, that this cheater detection incorrectly flags an account, will it? I mean it's 100% error free, right?
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It doesn't have to be. All the tracker does is report cheaters/hit-n-runners to staff members. All decision-making when it comes to accounts is handled by them.

Polarbear said:
You gave it a long test run before and it's perfect[...] I guess you made it. You developed the first 100% error free software. Gongrats.
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I haven't tested it because I have absolutely nothing to do with its development (and never claimed to, either). But it has been beta-tested on a private site tracker and as far as I know everything went well.

Polarbear said:
The guy who coded OINK's anti-cheat script (which is believed one of the bests until today) once said: there's is no 100% correct cheater detection. Every client can have a hickup once in a while and there will always be accounts that are wrongly flagged.
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Thank you for sharing an obscure and unverifiable quote someone on a site that no longer exists may have said 4 years ago. Funny thing... you dont have to be knowledgeable to say that no cheater detection is infallible. All you need is one single example of it being wrong, even if it was right a billion times before that.

Polarbear said:
How come I never heard of the tracker before when they have such excellent coders?
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If you're talking about shadowolf, its because the developers arent all that concerned with updating bittorrent forum whores on the status of their project. If you're referring to BitHQ, its because trading whores arent interested in a site that only indexes full dvds and bluray discs.

First I was a little worried. Hey, I mean all my personal data could be published when your cheater detection had some bugs.
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What personal data? The only information BitHQ is going to post are usernames, emails and IP addresses. Many people have different usernames for each bittorrent site they use, email addresses are easily changed (for free) and many places like gmail let you forward mail from other addresses, and there are plenty of ways to spoof/mask your IP address... or you could just move. There's no privacy issue here; cheaters are just crying over privacy out of fear that they could legitimately lose accounts on several sites if their info gets posted on bithq.
 
They claim those scrips are only to screen potential cheaters (since they're no where near reliable), and that they verify each one manually. I don't see any proof they've done that. It's as if they expect us to just take their word that the guy is a cheater.
 
Not to mention all the confusion and problems it creates if someone is wrongly accused and then a chain banning commences,with all the brownie point collectors and staRAB of other trackers who get orgasms by banning someone religiously looking at the table like business people looking at stock market.

We will show usernames, IP addresses, used emails
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