CloserToLove
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That...that doesn't make sense. If making a ripoff in general is bad, how is making a good ripoff good? 
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Bad anime : The animation, the writing, and just plain out bad.
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stained sports mom
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I'm a Destiny supporter, so I'll respond. I'll also note that I've seen quite a bit of Gundam and a LOT of mecha.
It is true that the first half of the series is better than the second, but there is nothing broken in the second half. It was actually a huge positive for a change to have Rey become the bad guy and not have Shinn turn into a whiny good guy. Besides, Rey was a calculating villain who steered Shinn against Kira from the moment they first showed off against each other. If anything, those things distinguished Destiny from the other Gundam series'. Another big positive change was the return of Mu as a masked ace. Also, the fact that Durandal turned out to be partially right was a refreshing change from the tired tendency of Gundam shows to make the good guys impeccable and the bad guys really bad.
I disagree here too. If anything, suits in Destiny were eminently destructible. How long did the Akatsuki last-- 2 episodes? How many suits did the main characters go through in Destiny? Neo Roanoke's team piloted Gundams and they got smoked. How many huge main cast and pilot deaths occurred in Destiny? The suits were anything but invincible. If anything, the suits in 00 were invincible until the false GN drives came around.
Of course Shinn is going to be annoying if you see him as the protagonist. Shinn was the antagonist. He was a soldier who actually followed his mission. He studied the opposition's strategies and crushed Kira and Athrun time after time. If anything, he should have remained the antagonist and had a rematch with Kira in the SEED movie. He was a Char without a facemask.
I was annoyed by it at first, but it's just the house style of a lot of series' this decade. At least the suit designs were cool, which is the most important part about mecha art.
It is true that the first half of the series is better than the second, but there is nothing broken in the second half. It was actually a huge positive for a change to have Rey become the bad guy and not have Shinn turn into a whiny good guy. Besides, Rey was a calculating villain who steered Shinn against Kira from the moment they first showed off against each other. If anything, those things distinguished Destiny from the other Gundam series'. Another big positive change was the return of Mu as a masked ace. Also, the fact that Durandal turned out to be partially right was a refreshing change from the tired tendency of Gundam shows to make the good guys impeccable and the bad guys really bad.
I disagree here too. If anything, suits in Destiny were eminently destructible. How long did the Akatsuki last-- 2 episodes? How many suits did the main characters go through in Destiny? Neo Roanoke's team piloted Gundams and they got smoked. How many huge main cast and pilot deaths occurred in Destiny? The suits were anything but invincible. If anything, the suits in 00 were invincible until the false GN drives came around.
Of course Shinn is going to be annoying if you see him as the protagonist. Shinn was the antagonist. He was a soldier who actually followed his mission. He studied the opposition's strategies and crushed Kira and Athrun time after time. If anything, he should have remained the antagonist and had a rematch with Kira in the SEED movie. He was a Char without a facemask.
I was annoyed by it at first, but it's just the house style of a lot of series' this decade. At least the suit designs were cool, which is the most important part about mecha art.
Because a rip-off series just shows it doesn't put any effort to make it somewhat original.
If your making fun of something, I kinda get it. But, it has to be funny and clever.
Space Balls was a parody of Star Wars. But that movie at least add some jokes that were funny and not too force in your face about it.
And it add some of its own taste in that film too.
If your making fun of something, I kinda get it. But, it has to be funny and clever.
Space Balls was a parody of Star Wars. But that movie at least add some jokes that were funny and not too force in your face about it.
And it add some of its own taste in that film too.
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Yeah, instead Shinn became a whiny bad guy. Rey wasn't even a bad guy until the last episode, which was quickly followed with KiraHaxWin.
Mu returning was terrible, not only because it retconned a perfectly fine death, or the most half-assed reason why he survived (Which still doesn't make sense), but him returning still didn't make the show better. Also, that bolded part is the just...what? SEED went every direction in favor of Team Lacus being the good guys, to the point of random advanced mobile suits and a Flawless victory in the final battle.
Uh, Akatsuki lasted quite fine. Did you not see it rub off Minerva's main cannon? And just to be clear, who's the main character? Certainly not Shinn after the second half, and even then he's only gone through 2 suits due to plot upgrade. And the only semi-main character to die before the finale is Stella and I say maybe because she had the most screen time. Stella, Meer, Heine, etc. were NOT main characters in the slightest. And Graham proved Gundams were beatable with skill, since he cut off an arm with just a Flag. He even beats Setsuna on a constant basis.
Uh, no Shinn was supposed to be the protagonist. Why? Because the creator said he was all the way til the end. Which just makes everything all the more confusing and irritating about the flip-flop. And what is this "crushing Athrun?" He beat a Gouf with Destiny Gundam when Athrun was trying to escape. He could've had a rematch, but the fact is he got beat 3 seconRAB in the final battle by trying to out-kick the suit with blade legs and sat crying while Kira randomly raps speeches against Durandal.
It's not only the convoluted plot and weak characterization of the characters that made it bad, but the presentation of so many flasrabroadacks after flasrabroadacks (Even in the last 4 episodes of the series!) and recycled art to the point regular Freedom showed up against the Legend. THAT'S why Destiny is bad. A sum of bad parts equal a terrible show.
Mu returning was terrible, not only because it retconned a perfectly fine death, or the most half-assed reason why he survived (Which still doesn't make sense), but him returning still didn't make the show better. Also, that bolded part is the just...what? SEED went every direction in favor of Team Lacus being the good guys, to the point of random advanced mobile suits and a Flawless victory in the final battle.
Uh, Akatsuki lasted quite fine. Did you not see it rub off Minerva's main cannon? And just to be clear, who's the main character? Certainly not Shinn after the second half, and even then he's only gone through 2 suits due to plot upgrade. And the only semi-main character to die before the finale is Stella and I say maybe because she had the most screen time. Stella, Meer, Heine, etc. were NOT main characters in the slightest. And Graham proved Gundams were beatable with skill, since he cut off an arm with just a Flag. He even beats Setsuna on a constant basis.
Uh, no Shinn was supposed to be the protagonist. Why? Because the creator said he was all the way til the end. Which just makes everything all the more confusing and irritating about the flip-flop. And what is this "crushing Athrun?" He beat a Gouf with Destiny Gundam when Athrun was trying to escape. He could've had a rematch, but the fact is he got beat 3 seconRAB in the final battle by trying to out-kick the suit with blade legs and sat crying while Kira randomly raps speeches against Durandal.
It's not only the convoluted plot and weak characterization of the characters that made it bad, but the presentation of so many flasrabroadacks after flasrabroadacks (Even in the last 4 episodes of the series!) and recycled art to the point regular Freedom showed up against the Legend. THAT'S why Destiny is bad. A sum of bad parts equal a terrible show.
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Grenadier was really, really light. The whole nonviolence thing is something that Vash and Kenshin represent far better with vastly superior characterization and stories. Grenadier's characters are not even close to being as interesting, and the lead is an obvious fanservice vehicle. The show constantly indulges in the reloading gimmick and in assorted hot springs scenes that are dime a dozen. I still chuckle at the artbox it had a ways back. "Service with a smile" was the tagline. Heh. Ah yes, it also reused animation. Did you know that spinning around in one place lets you dodge bullets? Well, it does! It may not be the worst show ever, but it's pretty awful.
The problem with Otome is that the service just gets in the way. It seems designed to appeal to certain fetishes, which gets on my nerves when it's so common and there are so many. You've got maiRAB, clear yuri overtones (Otome can't have relationships with men or they lose their powers, hmm), fanservice, fanservice for clearly underage characters (Akira and Nina both fall into this category), if memory serves one character looks like a catgirl in the finale, there's a tentacle monster in episode 6...I mean, come on. There's a certain amount of fanservice that I can overlook in a series, but Otome does too much. It also apparently pushes the envelope even more in its prequel OVA. Besides, Otome had its share of melodramatic parts. You've got a certain character's death and there's one time where Akira narrowly avoiRAB an assault thanks to Sergei (how dark is that?), among a few other things.
The problem with Otome is that the service just gets in the way. It seems designed to appeal to certain fetishes, which gets on my nerves when it's so common and there are so many. You've got maiRAB, clear yuri overtones (Otome can't have relationships with men or they lose their powers, hmm), fanservice, fanservice for clearly underage characters (Akira and Nina both fall into this category), if memory serves one character looks like a catgirl in the finale, there's a tentacle monster in episode 6...I mean, come on. There's a certain amount of fanservice that I can overlook in a series, but Otome does too much. It also apparently pushes the envelope even more in its prequel OVA. Besides, Otome had its share of melodramatic parts. You've got a certain character's death and there's one time where Akira narrowly avoiRAB an assault thanks to Sergei (how dark is that?), among a few other things.
I don't often say this, but I may be defending Grenadier out of pure nostalgia. It's been a few years since I've watched it, and my opinion of it may be lower if I gave it a second run through. But from what I remeraber, it was an unremarkable but fun (in the campy sense) action series that never took itself too seriously. The wealth of hot springs/bath scenes could almost be viewed as a parody of shows which rely on that, but again, that's very debatable and I may just be giving it too much rope.
Also note, I've never seen Trigun and only a couple random episodes of Kenshin on SVES (yes, I know). So I'll have to take your word for it that those shows do the "peaceful fighter" thing better.
My-Otome, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. There have been shows with more frequent and "harder" fanservice than that. Queen's Blade and Girls Bravo are just two examples.
Also note, I've never seen Trigun and only a couple random episodes of Kenshin on SVES (yes, I know). So I'll have to take your word for it that those shows do the "peaceful fighter" thing better.
My-Otome, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. There have been shows with more frequent and "harder" fanservice than that. Queen's Blade and Girls Bravo are just two examples.
The entire Island/Africa arc (23-34) of Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water -- Aside from episode 31 and parts of the previous one, this sequence is not only inferior to the rest of the series, it is just plain horrible; craptastic animation, poorly written stories, as well as annoying and inconsistent characterizations. The so-called "character development" that these episodes provide feel more like "character derailment". I regret ever sitting through this part of an otherwise fine series to this day. (The movie is just as bad.)
M.D. Geist -- A better title for it might be "M.D. (Most Dangerous) Anime; while the idea of having an anti-hero is refreshing, it is not executed particularly well in any way. Everything about it--the characters, the animation, the script, etc. is absolutely horrible.
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children -- I recognize that this is not an Anime, but I still put this on my list. Even though it looks stunning, there's something about the CG animation that feels very lifeless. But the main problem with FF7:AC is that it's excruciatingly boring (and I mean BORING with a capital B); even the occasional action-sequence had me yawning. Perhaps it's because I have not played through the game, but I still disliked this movie.
Love Hina -- This series hurts, and I don't mean that as a joke. I just cannot stand shows where the male protagonist continually gets abused by *****y girls every two seconRAB. It is truly detrimental to my entertainment value, and it isn't particularly interesting.
Wicked City -- I don't know what the values of this film were supposed to be, but it left me sick to my stomach by the time I finished it. The production values are top-notch, but the story wavers between being interesting or perverse (and gets even more incoherent by the end). That it's also excessively gory and sexual (two rape scenes) was also a problem.
M.D. Geist -- A better title for it might be "M.D. (Most Dangerous) Anime; while the idea of having an anti-hero is refreshing, it is not executed particularly well in any way. Everything about it--the characters, the animation, the script, etc. is absolutely horrible.
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children -- I recognize that this is not an Anime, but I still put this on my list. Even though it looks stunning, there's something about the CG animation that feels very lifeless. But the main problem with FF7:AC is that it's excruciatingly boring (and I mean BORING with a capital B); even the occasional action-sequence had me yawning. Perhaps it's because I have not played through the game, but I still disliked this movie.
Love Hina -- This series hurts, and I don't mean that as a joke. I just cannot stand shows where the male protagonist continually gets abused by *****y girls every two seconRAB. It is truly detrimental to my entertainment value, and it isn't particularly interesting.
Wicked City -- I don't know what the values of this film were supposed to be, but it left me sick to my stomach by the time I finished it. The production values are top-notch, but the story wavers between being interesting or perverse (and gets even more incoherent by the end). That it's also excessively gory and sexual (two rape scenes) was also a problem.
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I can't get into One Piece of FMA. But I am going to try to get into One Piece eventually.
GX is annoying. Bleh.
5RAB does seem better and more tolerable than GX but I can't get into it.
Digimon Season 4 bugged me.
Digimon season 5 is just wrong. Why did they change the animation AND the digivolutions!? I could tolerate an animation change but why change the digivolutions!?
GX is annoying. Bleh.
5RAB does seem better and more tolerable than GX but I can't get into it.
Digimon Season 4 bugged me.
Digimon season 5 is just wrong. Why did they change the animation AND the digivolutions!? I could tolerate an animation change but why change the digivolutions!?
Tae said my response much better than I could have. Especially the Akatsuki part. That thing lasted until the end of the series. And I still can't justify magic reflective paint or DRAGOONS (and METEOR DRAGOONS) that don't kill anybody. It just makes Kira seem way too godlike.
And yes, Shinn was always the protagonist. At least that's what Fukuda said. Nobody else really thinks so though.
And what do you mean high body count? Let's see the only real main ones were Stella, Meer and Durandal, Rey and "whats-her-face" captain of the Minerva (can't remeraber her name). Should I rattle off the list of characters from 00 who died? Heck, I think Turn A had more deaths than Destiny.
Because they're not the same Digimon from season 1.
Let's add another detailed one shall we. If you've known me on these boarRAB, you know that it's very hard for me to actually hate an anime. Even though I said Destiny was the worst one I'd seen and had a lot of reasons that I had to hate it, I just merely dislike it and I think it's awful. Plus, it's just a bad anime (to me) but I'd say people should watch it and form their own opinion. However, there is one anime that I abhor and frequently advise people not to watch. It's awful, it's annoying, it's the worst anime I've ever seen in my life (Even worse then Eiken, Green Green, Linebarrels, etc.) it's the simple GONZO anime known as.....
Dragonaut: The Resonance
1. This could have been really good-Or at least it could have been a lot better than it was. I will always admit that the first episode of this show actually showed a lot of promise. An unfortunate accident, mysterious characters, the fact that the show had dragon in the title and a budding romance between main characters. It didn't seem like it was going to win any awarRAB but it was quite interesting for a starting point.
And then....episode 2.
You know, it's not that I mind stock footage. I don't. I'm used to it by now. I watch Digimon for goodness sake and they repeat the sequence all the time. But my god, at least try to make it not look like the lamest freaking thing you've ever seen in your life. The transformation sequences to show the dragons looked just stupid. (Why do you need rollerskates to get into a cockpit? Why?) The events were predictable and I could already see a drop in animation quality. As the series went on and on, I realized that GONZO really lost me after a while and I kind of stopped watching for a long time.
As proof of animation quality failure, here is Gio doing his best impersonation of Exia Gundam.
2. Freakin' Kazuki-There is no way to justify this guy. First of all, look at this guy in the first few episodes. (He's the one on the right)
Now look at him like four or so episodes later.
Do I even need to explain? I mean, he's the most annoying character on the show and contributes absoluetely nothing to the plot. His obsession with getting back Gio just drove me up the wall to the point where I really wish that Jin had just blasted him into oblivion way earlier. There's more detail I could say about him, but let's move on.
3. Overkill fanservice-Remeraber how I said that this was worse than Eiken (which by the way is another awful anime that somebody should mention) At least the awful fanservice was just there for two OVA's (two....horrible....annoying....creepy OVA's....) just imagine a full series of this.
No, don't imagine it like that you pervs. There are such things as a limit to fanservice that maybe GONZO doesn't seem to care about but I kinda do. And look, I watched Elfen Lied. I'm more than partial to the dippings of the fanservice angle that Japan likes to take but I stress that there is a limit.
4. "perfect blue" is way too awesome for this show-Okay this isn't really a "reason" per se but this song makes the show look actually good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evgwy8sSwW8
^^Seriously, that song is awesome. Why couldn't the show be like that?
And yes, Shinn was always the protagonist. At least that's what Fukuda said. Nobody else really thinks so though.
And what do you mean high body count? Let's see the only real main ones were Stella, Meer and Durandal, Rey and "whats-her-face" captain of the Minerva (can't remeraber her name). Should I rattle off the list of characters from 00 who died? Heck, I think Turn A had more deaths than Destiny.
Because they're not the same Digimon from season 1.
Let's add another detailed one shall we. If you've known me on these boarRAB, you know that it's very hard for me to actually hate an anime. Even though I said Destiny was the worst one I'd seen and had a lot of reasons that I had to hate it, I just merely dislike it and I think it's awful. Plus, it's just a bad anime (to me) but I'd say people should watch it and form their own opinion. However, there is one anime that I abhor and frequently advise people not to watch. It's awful, it's annoying, it's the worst anime I've ever seen in my life (Even worse then Eiken, Green Green, Linebarrels, etc.) it's the simple GONZO anime known as.....
Dragonaut: The Resonance
1. This could have been really good-Or at least it could have been a lot better than it was. I will always admit that the first episode of this show actually showed a lot of promise. An unfortunate accident, mysterious characters, the fact that the show had dragon in the title and a budding romance between main characters. It didn't seem like it was going to win any awarRAB but it was quite interesting for a starting point.
And then....episode 2.
You know, it's not that I mind stock footage. I don't. I'm used to it by now. I watch Digimon for goodness sake and they repeat the sequence all the time. But my god, at least try to make it not look like the lamest freaking thing you've ever seen in your life. The transformation sequences to show the dragons looked just stupid. (Why do you need rollerskates to get into a cockpit? Why?) The events were predictable and I could already see a drop in animation quality. As the series went on and on, I realized that GONZO really lost me after a while and I kind of stopped watching for a long time.
As proof of animation quality failure, here is Gio doing his best impersonation of Exia Gundam.
2. Freakin' Kazuki-There is no way to justify this guy. First of all, look at this guy in the first few episodes. (He's the one on the right)
Now look at him like four or so episodes later.
Do I even need to explain? I mean, he's the most annoying character on the show and contributes absoluetely nothing to the plot. His obsession with getting back Gio just drove me up the wall to the point where I really wish that Jin had just blasted him into oblivion way earlier. There's more detail I could say about him, but let's move on.
3. Overkill fanservice-Remeraber how I said that this was worse than Eiken (which by the way is another awful anime that somebody should mention) At least the awful fanservice was just there for two OVA's (two....horrible....annoying....creepy OVA's....) just imagine a full series of this.
No, don't imagine it like that you pervs. There are such things as a limit to fanservice that maybe GONZO doesn't seem to care about but I kinda do. And look, I watched Elfen Lied. I'm more than partial to the dippings of the fanservice angle that Japan likes to take but I stress that there is a limit.
4. "perfect blue" is way too awesome for this show-Okay this isn't really a "reason" per se but this song makes the show look actually good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evgwy8sSwW8
^^Seriously, that song is awesome. Why couldn't the show be like that?