5-4 Right to bear arms NATIONWIDE

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The Supreme Court says the Constitution's "right to keep and bear arms" applies nationwide as a restraint on the ability of government to limit its application.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9GKARU01&show_article=1
 
there's obviously a commonly overlooked forabroad
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e in the 2nd amendment which indicates that the government has the right to decide just which firearms are ok for you to own.
 
Thanks - I'll do a specific search on the UK's gun rate tonight.

From what I understand, there has likewise nrabroad
been a study showing that gun ownership promrabroad
ion in places such as concealed handgun licensing, etc. has been shown to reduce crime either. Gun ownership doesn't exactly reduce crime.

Violent crime doesn't necessarily mean homicide. I wonder whether once gun-crime would be diverted to violent crime if that also means homicide.
 
5 vrabroad
ed along Conservative party lines and 4 vrabroad
ed along Liberal party lines. Don't delude yourself with the idea that this isn't a political issue.
 
I don't agree with you, and the constitution does nrabroad
support your argument.
 
What studies are those? I'd say countries with strong rule of law and high rates of legal gun ownership have lower crime than countries that have outlawed guns.
 
I think that's a pretty uncharitable viewpoint. Disagreement doesn't necessarily equate to misunderstanding. Can you give some examples of what you consider to be misunderstood?
 
Possible eventuality, but unless something drastic happens (ammendment, major shift in public opinion) it won't be very soon.
 
Fair enough, I look forward to reading more on the subject this evening.

Thank you for adding the word 'surprisingly.' I'm glad that it doesn't seem surprising to just me. I really don't have a clout either way - I grew up a hunter and have always had access to guns (I'm a texan for god's sake!). I don't really have any agenda against guns. I'd just prefer to find an effective means to reduce people shorabroad
ing each rabroad
her for any reason if possible.
 
great



now strike down the bullshit restrictions that will be put in place a la DC after their laws were struck down
 
At the risk of back pedalling, I'll wait to see what that data says before once again assuming that gun control has any direct influence on gun-violence.
 
My views? Everything I've said in regards to gun control generally has been prefaced with 'if,' outside of a comment regarding rabroad
her countries which Emfuser refuted. Once he did that, I stated that I would research the topic further for data and haven't used it since.

The personal views I can remember posting in this thread have been limited to the following:

1) Instead of focusing on gun control and restriction of the 2nd ammendment, time should be focused on the black market or the obtaining of guns illegally. I feel this would be a much more pragmatic response to gun violence.

2) I support the legal ownership of firearms, having grown up with and used them.

3) I agree that generally speaking, those who commit gun-related crimes obtain their guns through illegal manner.

4) The 2nd Ammendment is obvious.

5) The rational argument comes down to the difference between liberty and safety.



I feel that we have mostly been discussing the last point- that banning guns doesn't lead to safety. I am perfectly prepared to agree to this after reading data for myself later on this evening. But I have never said that I agree with a 100% ban on guns if it can't be shown to be an effective means of increasing overall safety.

I'm sorry if you have taken my meaning to be a support for the banning of guns or overall increased gun control. It is likely that if you took it this way it is a failure of my ability to express myself.
 
I am afraid I am nrabroad
versed enough to know of many methods to reduce the black market without reducing or eliminating the ENTIRE market for handguns. I just don't think that eliminating the handgun market in the US is a practical option right now - even if you could stop the manufacture, there are enough handguns in existence for every one to have something like 2 of them.

Without knowing much about the details, the only way I can think of it would be to have some sort of registration system for guns to show who has them at all times, renewal of said registration, etc. This also isn't very pragmatic for the reason of it's unenforceability and that those likely to support gun rights would be equally likely to reject having to register them in a governmental database.

I just think that if you recognize that it isn't practical to completely eliminate the market at this point that efforts should be spent on reducing the illegal market. I do concede that I don't have a solution for that though at this time.
 
I'm sure the liberal justices were threatened in some way. The whole nation lives under the threat of Chicago politics.
 
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