You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit !

kaylasdad99 said:
My guess? He "found" it in the bin by diving down head-first, taking it out from under his jacket, and putting it there.
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That's my guess. He was hoping it wouldn't be noticed until after it was over and he was gone. When he realsized he could easily be discoverd he "found" it.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
People who are baked drive BETTER:

Summary: the impairment is not significant enough to affect driving skills, and people who are stoned actually drive more slowly and cautiously.

I drove stoned a billion times. Never hit one school bus.
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Listen, I'm all down with pot and all, but it doesn't affect everyone the same way. You definitely would not want to be with me in a car if I were high. The one time I drove stoned--just to back the car out of the driveway to let someone out--I had to ask someone else to finish doing it, because I just did not have the spatial awareness to accomplish the task. Some people seem fine driving when high. Others don't. I certainly wouldn't take the risk with my (fictional) daughter and let her in the car with any stoned individual.

I haven't done pot in almost a decade, since sometimes it just hits me hard. Three quarters of the time it's fine and pleasant, the other quarter it's a terrible experience and I swear I'll never do it again.
 
lieu said:
What the... What I'm asking is if you think our school bus drivers would be safer if they were high on their route.
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The data seems to suggest that, but I think the difference is probably too marginal to be significant. You asked if we "should insist" that they smoke before their routes. We should not insist, no.
 
Shot From Guns said:
Diogenes the Cynic said:
No, I admit that people who are really stoned are less likely to wantto drive. The emprical data (which remains undisputed) does not show that they are actuially any more dangerous than un-stoned people if they do drive. Calling me a retard doesn't refute the scientific facts.
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Logic, reason, and the facts are clearly lost on you at this point, so my only reasonable response is VRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH.
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What are you talking about? All you've done is call people names and ignore data. If you can't refute me on the merits, that's your failing, not mine.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Yes, it affects cognition, but that's not the same as impairing it. Since it does not impair the ability to perform tasks, I don't see how it can be said to impair cognition. I would argue that it enhances cognition.
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Perhaps you have forgotten this post:
mhendo said:
In conclusion, the regular marijuana users in our study showed cognitive impairment in the maze task and in the WCST on 17mg THC... This evidence is compatible with previous studies showing impaired cognitive function in regular users of marijuana.

Weinstein et al, "A Study Investigating the Acute Dose-response Effects of 13 Mg and 17 Mg Δ 9- Tetrahydrocannabinol on Cognitive-motor Skills, Subjective and Autonomic Measures in Regular Users of Marijuana," Journal of Psychopharmacology, Vol. 22 Issue 4, June 2008, 441-451.
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A quick read through the conclusions and/or the abstracts of a few other papers suggests that, while marijuana (or, to be more precise, the THC in marijuana) can and does impair cognitive and motor skills in most users, there are some users who show little or no effect from using the drug. This is generally explained by a combination of genetic predisposition (i.e., some people seem to have a sort of natural resistance to the effects) and accumulated tolerance (i.e., some people who smoke a lot can build up their tolerance for it, and avoid some of the worst effects).

[...]

But a blanket statement that it doesn't impair cognitive or motor function is simply unsupported by the recent medical literature.
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Which you actually replied to:
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Thanks for the cite. I am one of those people who never seemed to suffer any impairment.

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I still maintain that whatever imparment occurs is still pretty negligable even for those more susceptable to it, and anyone who's ever been a stoner or around stoners knows that it's not even close to the same kind of impairment as being drunk.
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Shot From Guns said:
1.) I'm suspicious of the fact that Cartooniverse has never responded to say that he did, in fact, view the security tapes.
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Yeah, i'd be interested to know if the OP actually saw a security tape with the suspect stealing the camera, or if it's all supposition and circumstantial evidence.
 
Diogenes the Cynic said:
I haven't smoked pot in years, but if someone wants to claim that marijuana impares cognition and motor skills, that's the person who needs to bring the cite, not me.
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Maybe, but your "straight A's" boast could use some support. Link to a scan of your graduation transcript showing your 4.0 average would suffice.

Mind you, I don't think you're full of shit, but you know how great men attract petty detractors...
 
Shot From Guns said:
1.) I'm suspicious of the fact that Cartooniverse has never responded to say that he did, in fact, view the security tapes.
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He started another thread about the heat earlier today, but hasn't come back here. I'm kind of suspicious/curious about that myself.
 
Fuji said:
Diogenes the Cynic said:
Anecodtes are not evidence.The actual empirical data shows that driving stoned does not increase tthe risk for accidents. There's no way out of that box. That's a checkmate for me.
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So... the nine people just in this thread who directly refute your assertion are supposed to privilege your interpretation of the findings of a scientist who draws conclusions based on probablistic inferences over their own direct experience of the matter at hand.
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No, I'm saying that hard empirical data trumps anecdotal bullshit. Why the fuck do you think it should be otherwise?
 
minor7flat5 said:
I'm not following the evidence well...

When you say "But surveillance cameras? They really don't lie, now do they ?" do you mean that you were shown video that showed the accused in the act?

If not, it still does sound pretty suspicious that the camera was found by the guy. However, I would be wondering who had control over those trash bins. It isn't too unusual for workers to put stuff in the trash and then retrieve their loot when they take the trash out to the dumpster.
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Yeah I'm having trouble following what happened too. So, the people owning the camera saw through the surveillance cams that stoner-guy did it, but since he brought it back, they decided to play it like he hadn't stole it to avoid to embarass him (maybe?)?
 
Shot From Guns said:
Diogenes the Cynic said:
What are you talking about? All you've done is call people names and ignore data.
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I can't decide if this makes me want to laugh or cry.

You know, there was actually a time when I respected you as a poster.
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Once again, this is a content-free post, devoid of any substantive rebuttal. You should at least try to mix in some actual arguments with the ad hominems once in a while.
 
Diogenes is now urging another poster to use "actual arguments"? Oh man, this is rich. It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
 
MsWhatsit said:
Diogenes the Cynic said:
I AM the evidence.
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Really? This is what you're going with now? That's cute.

No, you're not the evidence. You are an anecdote. That is not the same as evidence. You've been hanging around here for long enough that I'm pretty sure you know the difference.
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Haven't you figured out by now that DtC is not required to post cites for anything because his experiences and opinions are THE TRUTH, and that us mere mortals are not permitted to question his proclamations of What is Right and Moral and Just?
 
People also get too impaired to drive on prescription drugs (even taken as prescribed, not abused). Just thought I'd throw that out there. :)
 
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