You steal a camera during MY Workshop? Fuck you, you piece of messed-up shit !

[minor7flat5]

I'm not following the evidence well...

When you say "But surveillance cameras? They really don't lie, now do they ?" do you mean that you were shown video that showed the accused in the act?

If not, it still does sound pretty suspicious that the camera was found by the guy. However, I would be wondering who had control over those trash bins. It isn't too unusual for workers to put stuff in the trash and then retrieve their loot when they take the trash out to the dumpster.

Considering that you were guests, it doesn't seem plausible that a thief in your group would use the garbage route for their crime. I assume you feel he tossed it in the bin minutes before "finding" it?
Was he unobserved long enough to have done this once the heat was on?

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Anyone who's actually been a chronic stoner or been around them knows that being stoned has no more effect on their driving ability than a cup of coffee.

:dubious:

Pot can and does definitely inhibit performance.

I've definitely been too stoned to think.

You definitely would not want to be with me in a car if I were high. The one time I drove stoned--just to back the car out of the driveway to let someone out--I had to ask someone else to finish doing it, because I just did not have the spatial awareness to accomplish the task.

I have plenty of past experience with cannabis and with driving, and I never had an accident while driving stoned.

On the other hand, I also know that, in my experience, smoking weed certainly did impair my ability to drive a car.

Ok, my post as my cite. From my limited use of medical grade pot:
Hit #1: nothing
Hit #2: buzzed, a little dizzy
Hit #3: high, I really like colored lights, have to concentrate in order to walk, I won't remember this tomorrow
Hit #4: Fucked up, can't walk in a straight line, can't pour water into a glass without considerable effort, TV seems to be in half-second stop action, can't follow a movie anyway, don't remember anything from 15 minutes ago.

The idea that being high does not interfere with driving is bullshit.

This was pretty much my whole reaction, too.

There comes a point, as anyone who has smoked a lot of weed ought to know, where one is simply too stoned to 'compensate' any more. Hell, I've been too stoned to walk to the door, let alone drive!

"There is no impairment while driving under the influence of cannabis" is an indefensibly stupid position to take.

Shut the fuck up. Honestly.

Anecodtes are not evidence.The actual empirical data shows that driving stoned does not increase tthe risk for accidents. There's no way out of that box. That's a checkmate for me.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

You even fucking admit that pot can make you a terrible driver if you've taken a large amount!

No, I admit that people who are really stoned are less likely to wantto drive. The emprical data (which remains undisputed) does not show that they are actuially any more dangerous than un-stoned people if they do drive. Calling me a retard doesn't refute the scientific facts.

 

[PunditLisa]

$5 says the OP watched the security cam footage, realized he was wrong, and is too childish to come back and admit it like a grownup.

If he hadn't watched it beforehand, once the camera was returned, there was no reason for the company to release the surveillance footage.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Ditto.

But you gotta love the irony that a rant thread about a thieving pothead was stolen by another pothead.

Ex-pothead. I haven't partaken since the 90's.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Yes, it affects cognition, but that's not the same as impairing it. Since it does not impair the ability to perform tasks, I don't see how it can be said to impair cognition. I would argue that it enhances cognition.

You guys sound like you believe everything you saw in those videos that your health teachers showed you in 8th grade. Do you also think that people who smoke pot "freak out" and jump off buildings thinking they can fly? I bet you do.

Anyone who's actually been a chronic stoner or been around them knows that being stoned has no more effect on their driving ability than a cup of coffee. I've even driven on acid. No problems at all except I had to keep reminding myself that I was really driving and I wasn't in a video game.

Easy there, Evidence. I wasn't kidding when I said I was high last night. I loooooooove marijuana. I'm a NORML Citizen. I'm saving to buy a vaporizer. I'd love to see marijuana legalized, and think it's ridiculous that it is illegal while alcohol is legal. I'm well versed in the literature.

But in post #17, you said marijuana doesn't affect (not impair, not enhance, but affect) cognitive skills. Full stop. You should have know that statement itself was stupid enough to bring everyone howling out of the woodwork, never mind the "I am my own cite" crap later on.

So, are you still going to stick by the statement that you do not believe that pot affects one's cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills?

Ok, good catch. I should have just said "does not impair." Of course it affects cognition. That's the whole point.

 

[Crotalus]

Shut the fuck up. Honestly.

Take a look at the idiot's post count. He won't. He can't. And while he used to have about a 10/1 idiot or troll/reasonable poster ratio, that ratio is now trending toward infinity.

 

[billfish678]

Ex-pothead. I haven't partaken since the 90's.

Yet the damage lingers on...

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

In that case, he would still have no basis for assuming anything about what was on it.

I agree it seems strange that the OP has not returned to clarify whether this person was specifically seen on tape stealing the camera.

 

[Guinastasia]

People who are baked drive BETTER:

Summary: the impairment is not significant enough to affect driving skills, and people who are stoned actually drive more slowly and cautiously.

I drove stoned a billion times. Never hit one school bus.

Oh, now THAT'S an objective source!

 

[MsWhatsit]

Post 77 gives a couple of examples.

 

[Shot From Guns]

If he hadn't watched it beforehand, once the camera was returned, there was no reason for the company to release the surveillance footage.

That's like saying if I hold up a bank, then come back an hour later and hand all the money back, saying, "Just kidding!" they can't prosecute me.

I'd say they should absolutely have looked at that footage. Because they need to know if (a) the camera just came loose on its own, in which case they need to find some way to attach it better so it doesn't get lost permanently next time; (b) some employee or vendor in the building stashed the camera there to retrieve later, in which case they can discipline the person, up to or including firing them; or (c) some student in the class stashed it there, or Mr. Pothead pretended to find it there, in which case they can ban that person from ever taking classes there again.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

By the way, I don't think people should drive on acid. That was irreponsible on my part. I shouldn't have done it, but I had no other way to get to work.

 

[Jackmannii]

Also, what's wrong with showing up to a workshop baked? He's paying for the workshop, he's not your employee and it doesn't affect cognitive abilities anyway, so why do you care?

So if you visit your family doc to get evaluated for a medical problem, you wouldn't care if he was stoned on pot?

Drunk is not the same as baked. The comparison is not valid. I was stoned in 90% of my college classes and got straight A's.

The profs grading you were probably in similar shape.

 

[fuji]

Ah! So it is possible to be too stoned to drive safely. Good, now can we end this derailment?

And preferably the thread, only because every time I read the title I hear "Choo steal a camera during MY workchop? Fuck YOU, you piece 'o messed-up CHIT!"

Can't you stop saying 'fuck' all the time?


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[Crotalus]

Anecodtes are not evidence.

You are the evidence. We get that.

 

[ivan astikov]

Continuing the hijack - while waiting for Cartooniverse to come and clear things up - and adding to Ioniser's post, I know a Sunday League football team that consists entirely of stoners and manages to be competitive. I know a guy who spent 6 years getting a Bsc in Infectious Diseases, or some such thing, while smoking pot on a habitual basis.

IOW, lay off us... I mean, them potheads. They are far less harmful to society than pissheads.

 

[magellan01]

I didn't say that at all. I never thought it caused any impairment at all except perhaps for inexperienced users. I still don't think it cuases any impairment significant enough to worry about. Pass the bong to my surgeon. I don't care.

And with this you just started a new category for a Darwin Award.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

That's just a load of self-serving pothead twaddle.

True, it doesn't affect you in the same exact way that alcohol does, but pot certainly does affect one's cognitive abilities and fine and gross motor skills.

No it doesn't.

 

[Shot From Guns]

No, I admit that people who are really stoned are less likely to wantto drive. The emprical data (which remains undisputed) does not show that they are actuially any more dangerous than un-stoned people if they do drive. Calling me a retard doesn't refute the scientific facts.

Logic, reason, and the facts are clearly lost on you at this point, so my only reasonable response is VRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH.