Worst moral message in a kids cartoon

Plus, technically speaking, a demon is just a angel that decided to go bad. Being the offspring of a demon doesn't mean you are a demon yourself, as you could easily chose to be good: thus, become a good demon (an angel).
 
I don't know that anyone was "criticizing the morality of the show" so much as pointing out that the character of Ms. Bitters, if taken at face value, has some pretty skewed morality.
 
What about Grumpy Bear? It seemed that it was okay for him to be sad.

I think people often misread the morals in things. Cartoons and fairy tales being big ones. I know this is a cartoon discussion thread, but I know fairy tales better so I'll use those as examples (besides, people adapt those into animation all the time). For example, people get down on Cinderella saying that all you have to do is wait for some fairy godmother to come along and make you happy. I always viewed the lesson as the idea that people in bad situations shouldn't give up hope because they don't know what might come along and allow them to break free of their troubles. People also say that Jack and the Beanstalk teaches that you can get ahead by stealing. I always thought it showed that a little courage, cunning and initiative can take you far.

So, think carefully about morals in things. They might not always be what you think they are.
 
On a somewhat related note, many of the things Ms. Bitters taught her class in Invader Zim have pretty bad moral messages to them.
"Our whole society is nothing more than a perilous house of cards, destined to collapse under its own weight"
And then there's her belief that the universe will implode into itself one day.
But then again, IZ wasn't exactly a kid-friendly show.
 
Well, most Pokemon don't seem to have a problem with being inside of a Pokeball, except Pikachu of course. The cages also were covered in electricity and for the series, putting Pokemon in cages is pretty much equal to poaching them. Some Pokemon collecting has been shown in the series, but not to the extent of the second movie. I also think that it has been shown how some Pokemon like to battle, but most trainers also don't push their Pokemon that hard in battling as well.
 
Now I'm thinking of that Mitchell and Webb sketch where Jesus disciples get offended over the story of the Good Samaritan

Jesus: "No, no, you see, it's just a story"
Disciple: "Oh, I get that. But I'm offended that you highlight this as though the idea of a, as you term it, 'good Samaritan' is so impossible to be of note!"
 
"The status quo is the status quo. Whatever you do and whatever you try is only going to lead to a butt whoopin' by everyone around you, even if you've done absolutely nothing to deserve it."

So says 95% of the Ed, Edd and Eddy episodes. Not that I'm complaining too much.
 
Yeah, IZ's whole premise WAS teaching bad morals. That's where most of it's humor came from.

As far as PPG go, that show wasn't about good examples easier. Not to mention it was created to appeal to a broad audience.
 
Well no one pick-up The Incredibles; but the main thing I thought just seemed wrong is the thought of Syndrome eventually democratizing super-powers was treated with disgust and horror.
 
Since Gurren Lagann is a shonen, that makes it a kids show, right?

The first message I noticed from GL was that tired old nonsense that religion is bad. That didn't bother me too much, however. What did bug me was that the show's main message was that people who try to think about the big picture are misguided, and charging headfirst into all your problems solves everything.

I do wonder though. Was that the message the show was trying to convey? Both Kamina and Simon, the two guys who live by that manly man philosophy, get screwed.
 
Shawn Hopkins said:
The Incredibles bothered me, too. Clearly, Syndrome was a villain and a killer, but I don't think the idea of not wanting other people to experience the joys they felt from being superheroes because they would feel less "special" was anything but selfish. Why couldn't -they- be satisfied with being "special" in the ways Dash's mom told him he was, whatever they are?
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I think you may be looking a bit too hard at Incredibles. Syndrome's over-all plan, the idea of giving superpowers to everyone, is obviously stupid because it would allow evil people the opportunity to be really evil. The "natural" heroes fight the "natural" villains; having powers available for purchase would upset this status quo and cause chaos. I get the feeling that, from an in-universe perspective, that was what all the heroes were freaking out about.



I wouldn't judge RedWall as a story on this, because this is a fantasy trope that predates it by several hundred years. Lord of the Rings, The Wizard of Oz, The Belgariad... the idea of an entire race of bloodthirsty savages is an old and tiresome one.



Kinda puts things in perspetive, don't it?
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Syndrome: "I'll give them heroics. I'll give them the most spectacular heroics they've ever seen! And when I'm old and I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions so everyone can be superheroes! Everyone can be super! And when everyone's super, [laughs maniacally] no one will be."

So yeah, the movie seems to imply that not being able to stand above the common man like demi-gods is pretty much a fate worse then death for the Parrs.



From what I've read Tolkien seems to have become somewhat regretful in later life over depicting the Orcs as always chaotic evil. At any rate it is a trope with some disturbing implications if one tried to apply it to the real world.
 
Hmmm, I'd forgot about that line.... well he's still got a point, does'nt he? I mean, if everyone has the same talents, it takes away the ide of uniqueness.
 
Exactly thats why it's better then the japanese moral. The Japanese moral is looking down on kids giving them a moral that no kid is stupid enough to do while 4kids is clearly a joke and not meant as a real moral.

Morals that treat kids like idiots = bad, morals that are clearly nonsensical jokes = good.
 
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