Woman calls police. They brutalize and arrest her.

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gonzomax said:
billfish678 said:
And that is what happens. The police are never at fault. it is a citizen who is stupid enough to think they should defend their constitutional rights against a cop who is perfectly willing to ignore them. Many cops get pissed when a person does not blindly respect the authority of the cops over the rights we have guaranteed in the constitution. Getting arrested for not obeying a cops directions is absurd. It is necessary for citizens to stand up against the over reaching aggression of the bad cops to expose them. The cops don't clean their own nests. they protect bad cops. That is one of the problems ,the bad cops they protect taint them all.
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Fight for your rights IN the courts, not on the street. That just ends up with your ass getting whipped. It takes two to tango.
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Freudian Slit said:
Lute Skywatcher said:
Nobody said:
At least they were able to use the dash cam against the officers.

While listening to Talk of the Nation a week or two ago about laws making it illegal to record cops (Link) the guest mentioned an incident in Prince George's County where a journalist was mistreated by cops. There were seven police cars which all had malfunctioning dash cams. :rolleyes:
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I started a Pit thread for that one at the time.
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Ugh. There really is at least one person to support the cops no matter what they do, isn't there? They could brutalize a three year old with a tazer and someone would be right there pointing out that some three year olds really are that strong and out of control and do we want a police officer to get killed in the line of duty, do we?
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Add two years and substitute "hancuffed" for "tazered" and you get something like this episode of The [b]Dio[/b] Show.
 
In the spirit of "context" that has been floating around this week, I would really like to know what happened before the tape. The fact that he got rehired says something (although I'm not sure what), because if a PD got rid of someone due to flagrant misuse of force, that person would be blacklisted around the state.

As far as tasers go, this is another example of why they suck. When they first came out, we were told they would only be used for situations where a gun would be used, but there was a chance for the less-than-lethal to be used. A bunch of lefty weenies all whined enough about lethal force, so they became standard equipment. Now they get used regularly, and people still get shot. That road to hell really is paved with good intentions.
 
monstro said:
I followed the link, but I still very confused. What did she do to get tased? Did she do anything besides calling the cops for help?

I believe this happened and that the cops were some sadistic fucks, and yet I don't think I have all the relevant information.
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That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking - based on just the one minute video, yeah, this appears to be terrible, but we have nowhere near all the information of what happened here. That the cops were fired afterwards also indicates that they acted very badly (but apparently not criminally, if they were not charged), but again, we don't have the whole story.

It also seems to me that if you're going to encourage a culture of cops being above the law (not informing on each other, not giving each other tickets when laws were obviously broken), then cops feeling they have a carte blanche is going to be the downside of that.
 
BigT said:
Sage Rat said:
PlainJain said:
This is wrong and bullshit. Cops are not allowed to use any force they choose to get you to answer a question.
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The cop wasn't using it to get answers. He was using it to get her to stop resisting arrest so that she could be taken back and put in jail.
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And the only reason he arrested her was because she refused to answer a question. Therefore, the only reason she was tased was because she didn't answer the question.

And notice that these guys were FIRED. That means---THEY WERE WRONG! So shut the fuck up, you Taser apologists. You people who think it's morally correct to obey all sources of authority--well, you're essentially Nazis, so I have no problem wishing that you would get tasered repeatedly. Since apparently overloading your body with pain so severe that you pass out is not torture, and LESS that police brutality, I can, by the rules of this board, wish it upon you.
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So when it comes to police interrogations, it would be a good idea to use tasers then? If they are just a tool to get answers, then they should have free reign to tase anybody who does not answer like they wish.
We are supposed to have a right to refuse what we see as police stepping over the line and taking our rights away. Cops are often in the wrong. Real morality says you do not allow an aggressive cop to freely take away your rights. The constitution gives and the police take away. The duty of a citizen is to resist when cops step over the line. Like Rodney King ,the cops will step well over the line .If people don't blow the whistle and try to prevent them from continuing, they just get worse. Now some states are making it against the law to film them in the act of doing their duty. Why would that be? Do they have something to hide?
 
Uhhh. A police officer, that should be trained in restraint technique, needs to use a tazer on an unarmed 57 year old woman? And another police officer does it too?

Two supposedly trained men against an unarmed 57 year old woman? Ah huh. Um. No.

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In a way I guess lying down and screaming "Oh god, oh god, don't hit me! Sir! Sir, I aint done nothing" is a way of resisting. A more reasonable way to respond would be "Thank you for electrocuting me massa". I don't know WHAT could possibly have led her to believe that she needed to fear these policemen.

And I don't see how two male cops could possibly be able to handle one middle aged black woman WITHOUT using tasers and mace. I think they showed exceptional restraint by not shooting her. They deserve a medal, really.
 
alice_in_wonderland said:
By idiot, slap-happy cops who wind up fired or forced to resign for fucking up?

I'm not American, I've never been to Georgia, but I really can't accept that people there want an innocent citizen tortured by twats like the ones in the OP.

God, I don't know this woman, I've never met her nor will I, I generally can't come up with much more than a 'meh' when it comes to RO threads and I have to say I'm completely disgusted.

I hope she sues and I hope she gets a very hearty payout.
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Well, if you're not from the states, you might not know Georgia has sort of a reputation for police brutality.
 
monstro said:
I followed the link, but I still very confused. What did she do to get tased? Did she do anything besides calling the cops for help?
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There's four people in the story:

The Lady
The Friend
Cop 1
Cop 2

The Lady's husband is out of town. She calls 911.

According to her and the Friend, she called 911 because she thought there was a prowler outside. After she called 911, she called The Friend over to stay with her until the police arrived.

According to Cop 1, the 911 call was about an "unwanted guest" not a prowler. When he arrived and found a man in the house with her, he assumed that her and The Friend were having an affair while The Lady's husband was out of town. The Friend was probably beating on her, and hence she called 911 hoping that the police would throw the guy out. Between her making the 911 call and Cop 1 arriving, The Friend had talked her into hiding this truth and instead saying that the 911 call had been about a "prowler".

Cop 1 asks The Friend some information, but before he can ask his name, The Friend skedaddles. Since Cop 1 thinks that The Friend has been beating up The Lady, he decides to get The Friend's name and address from her, so that he can look the guy up later. She decides that she won't help the police with this, and refuses to give any information. Cop 1 says that he is legally obligated to get information about someone suspected of beating on women and if she doesn't give him the information, then he is going to arrest her and take her in. Rather than giving him the information, instead she runs for her house. The officer pursues, apprehends, and continues to struggle with her, eventually using a tazer to get her to submit to the arrest.

Cop 2 shows up, sees that she is still not in the vehicle and is still resisting, and tazes her as well.
 
enipla said:
Uhhh. A police officer, that should be trained in restraint technique, needs to use a tazer on an unarmed 57 year old woman? And another police officer does it too?

Two supposedly trained men against an unarmed 57 year old woman? Ah huh. Um. No.

I know it
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alindallas said:
I don't hate cops. I just feel better when they're not around.
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Awww, alindallas. When a cop tells you to do something, you DO IT. Only very special people become cops and they always know what's best for you. Just repeat this as a mantra to suppress your natural "fight or flight" response induced by inappropriate police behavior.

And remember, even though cops have special training and the weapons, the burden of acting rationally during unusual circumstances is on citizens (such as little old ladies). ;)
 
Good summary. I'd add that prior to tasing her, the officer pepper-sprayed her and attempted to cuff her.
 
Why didn't they just go the whole hog and beat her with a folded telephone directory, too? In for a cent, in for a dollar, sorta thing.
 
I think there are a couple of LEO's who are posters on here, isn't there?

Can I just ask you if you ever switch off your "on the job" mode? No matter what environments you seem to be in - in my admittedly limited experience of them "off duty" - you always seem ready to go into Cop Mode at the slightest provocation. Do you ever ignore "crimes" that you personally find less serious?
 
billfish678 said:
Fight for your rights IN the courts, not on the street. That just ends up with your ass getting whipped. It takes two to tango.
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I realize that you were being ironic (sort of) in your first post, but shoot, man, that got confusing.
 
billfish678 said:
Giles said:
Even if she is lying, and the cop knows she is lying, there is no justification for tasering. That's essentially using torture to get information out of her.
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Like nearly ALL the other cops did wrong threads, it boils down to this. When a COP TELLS you to do something, you DO IT. If you don't do, he is pretty much required to FORCE you to comply. To allow otherwise would defeat the very concept of a cop.

She didnt get tazed because she was lying. She got tazed because she ran and was resisting.

DO WHAT the cop says, take a ride ride downtown. Behave yourself. And if you think the whole thing was a crock of shit get hold of a lawyer, or the ACLU, the local paper, or Al Sharpton or something.
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I'm not so sure that we, as a society, are better off if people like the OP's victim just tamely go along to get along. Should we want petty abuses of power to slip under the radar?
 
Given Sage Rats description, I'd say the woman behaved pretty darn poorly. Its NOT a good idea to not cooperate with the police. And if they say they are going to arrest you certainly don't run. And if they catch you, you probably shouldnt resist.

Just goes to show you though. Reading the OP title my first thought was "fucker cops" (my worst experiences by far have been with rural Georgia cops). Now, its more along the lines of "maybe, MAYBE, the tazing/pepper spray was over the line, but you DO NOT fight the cops"
 
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