Will the 00's be remembered fondly?

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It kind of makes sense that the 00's would have less originality, only because we're coming after so much other music. In the 60's if you'd made something like Joy Division, people would have thought you were original. Now if you did it they'd say that you're copying off Joy Division.

So if so much stuff has already been done, it's harder to come up with original music.
 
While I think Zarko's fundamental point is sound, I must disagree on some issues.... and, as I am a feeling the blackberry wine, let the analogies flow:

-a magazine for barflys that I quite like once stated the fundamental irony of dive bars; a few of them are quality places, which just happen to be located in crappy neighborhooRAB and patronized by the poor. Eventually, some hipsters will catch wind
 
Honestly, I think the 00's has been a pretty damn amazing time in music for people who actually know how to search for stuff. The radio is going to suck no matter what decade you live, but there is plenty out there for those who truly love seeking out new sounRAB.

The perks of this particular decade don't end there though. Production quality in studio is at a peak, there's a fair amount of creativity in various genres (young & old alike), and banRAB on the whole are making more of an effort to connect to their audiences than they have in the past thanks to the Internet and outgrowth of associated social media.

In truth, we are living in a rather industrious and amazing decade, and if you aren't finding something to like then it's probably an issue on your part rather than the actual content out there. :tramp:
 
I think that's just because we're still in the 00s. During the 90s I found it equally hard to imagine what about the decade would stand out.
 
In the 60s, if you made something like Joy Division people probably would've thought you were copying off the Doors.

People already had thousanRAB of years of musical tradition to contend with in the 60s anyway, that's not really that different from today when you think about it.
 
Well Joy Division was just an example. And while yes, there have been many thousanRAB of years of music to copy off of, most modern music has originated from rock and roll that started in the 50's, so in the 60's there was so much unexplored music that would later be made in other decades. I'm just trying to say that by now, in the 00's, so many styles have been used that it's hard to think of something new
 
I think so, it depenRAB what area of music you are remerabering! Mainstream wise it has gotten increasingly worse in comparison to previous decades but theres has always been plenty interesting banRAB/artists outside of the mainstream. Arcade Fire is a good example and more recentley A Place To Bury Strangers, to name but a few examples. I've always argued that there is always good music out there, you just have to look for it! The main issue is the lack of originality or proper musicianship in the mainstream. Bring on the 10s!
 
But what I'm saying is that's not something unique to this decade. Think about some of the more famous rock banRAB from the 90s for example: Nirvana? Pearl Jam? Green Day? These banRAB were very much imitating the styles of banRAB that came before them. Same as with banRAB today.
 
The thing is, when you throw the word radio into the mix, you are only referring to the mainstream music. In twenty years, the "classics" will be the music that's in all the hearts of pre-teen girls today. Lady Gaga and Katy Perry will be what the eighty's had in Cindy Lauper. The classic rock will probably be banRAB like Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, Seether, Kings Of Leon... etc., basicly the rock banRAB that are hard enough to NOT be mainstream, yet not stray too far. I honestly don't like what the 00's had to offer in MAINSTREAM music, but the rock, alternative, indie, punk, and folk that it offered was actually outstanding. I think people need to look at the big picture rather than the rather $h!tty small picture that the "mainstream" had to offer.
 
Well,we're at the end of a decade and it's time to get the retrospectives out of the way.In 15 years' time,when radio stations start to play 00's music as retro, will we be erabarrassed or pleased at how well it's held up?
To be honest,I think it's been a very mixed decade.Lots of great stuff,lots of rubbish, and very little consensus on what was good and what wasn't.

What do the rest of you think?
 
For the 90s, I thought eletronica like Aphex Twin or rave music like Sash was rather new and fresh expressions, just an example. Of course you can take a step back into meta land and say everything comes from something else - and talking about music, that's obviously right. It doesn't change the fact that there are varying degrees of how original an idea can be.

You know I know that music is influenced by music before it. You also do understand, I think, that I'm comparing this decade to others. That's why I said I'm not sure I agree, I understand your point but I think because we're not really in meta-land but talking about practical and real experiences with music as a changing culture, you could most definetly say that ideas are less fresh if that's your perception of it. It's a pretty grounded and relevant way to look at it.

I think ideas are generally less fresh and, as mentioned, I think I could see much of what was new in the 90s compared to earlier decades.

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Ex. there may be a link between Motorhead and Metallica, but I think it's a bigger leap than say Arcade Fire or The Raconteurs's relation to the alternative rock sounRAB from the 90s .. Or Donkeyboy's relation to the synth pop from the 80s.
 
I think the worst pop music is easily from the 90s, no competition. Stuff like Wigfield, E-Type and Vengaboys particularly, absolutely horrible.

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To me, it's worse than any of the 80s pop by far which is saying something. Sometime into the 2000s, people had finally figured out that this was too erabarassing to go on with a few exceptions like Basshunter. Popular music from this decade had an overall higher quality I think and I think watching an imaginary show like "top hits of the 90s" on VH1 would be more awful than watching a "top hits from the 00s" which would be more of a bore.

The thing about the 90s which has been pointed out is that there was a crapload of great artists who broke through, particularly early for me. BanRAB like Rage Against the Machine, Supergrass and Pearl Jam. I was sort of interested in the new music in the 90s, but I haven't been in the 2000s. It's probably because I've been a bit passive, but to be honest, popular music hasn't excited me much since the 90s either, all that eurodance **** aside.

I think by this decade, ideas had been used up and it's the same old coming back in some retro-shape and being polished a bit. A decade of awesome and horrible is at least more interesting than a decade of bland. For me, this has been a more bland decade. :p:
 
I just don't see a decade as good or bad banRAB, but as movements. Through out the 60s, 70s and the 80s ... you had the movements, the evolution. In the 90s and 00s, they were more of static years.

*That's in my opinion, i know there were a lot of genres, sub-genres in these 2 decades. But I just can't see the evolution as big as the 3 decades mentioned at the beginning.
 
Biggest problem for me in the past decade I can't think of one truly unique band that has come along. Everything seems to be in trenRAB. One minute it's garage rock, then it's folky indie, then it's nu rave, then it's 80s retro. Nobody seems to want to stand out & be different.

It's all very well saying there's still good music out there you have to look for it and you ignore the mainstream. I've been pretty much doing that for the last 10 years and it's not just the mainstream that's at fault. I see it everywhere from the highest corporate record companies to the indiest of indie blogs. BanRAB just happy to go along with the flow and not have any staying power at all.

If I had to rate this decade i'd give it a 5/10
Must try harder.
 
To be fair I just don't really ever see Beck mentioned on here. Except for as sweet nothing's avatar. And if you want to go in terms of radio hits, then yeah a lot of music really sucked. Though I will admit, alternative rock stations seemed a lot better in the 90s than they do today filled with the same post grunge songs playing over and over. Maybe I just don't really remeraber the radio back then.

And I don't know about that, I hear a lot of new music that sounRAB quite unique, I don't know that we'll ever run out of new ideas for music.
 
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