Why do some feminists try to change the culture through the law?

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Sir Malbestein

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It seems to me that modern feminism has no real qualms with women's legal rights anymore. Their real target seems to be the mindset of men and even other women who don't view the world through feminist goggles. Some extreme threads of feminism want to reverse the political power roles, as if men being in authoritarian positions were ever the problem (the authoritarian positions themselves were the problem. The terms female and despotic are not mutually exclusive.) How is this at all 'women's struggle for equal opportunity?'

But what I really don't understand is feminists opposed to prostitution and pornography.

They claim that these industries are exploiting women. Granted, some girls are coerced into becoming prostitutes,(which, when you think about it is true for doctors, or any other profession.) but most aren't, and surly legalization and legitimization of prostitution would be the solution to this.

The idea that pornography 'eroticizes the domination, humiliation, and coercion of women, and reinforces sexual and cultural attitudes that are complicit in rape and sexual harassment', while absurd and unfounded in its own right, is no reason to push for legislation to ban it. I don't believe many of the anti-porn feminist actually believe this. I think they just want to outlaw behavior that they see as giving them, as women, a bad name. This collectivist type of thinking is laughable at best and despicable at worst. You are an individual before you are any sex.

The attempt to ban pornography and prostitution based on these pretenses is no less dishonest and reprehensible as people trying to pass laws against violent video games due to their alleged behavioral affects.

There is no real anti-porn or anti-prostitution movement, there is only an anti-freedom movement. Modern feminism is nearly the antithesis of the original brand of feminism, which pushed for equal rights and liberty. The label seems to have been perverted by disturbingly selfish women into what it is today. And they didn't even have the decency to change feminism's name to what they have made it; Fascism.

Thank you.
re:Micheal

You'd be surprised. But even if i hadn't most prostitutes (in this country) chose to be prostitutes. What right has the government to tell them not to?
re:Lilyta

So, basically what your saying is that because these industries present situations that you wouldn't subject yourself to, no one should be able to make a living doing them?

I could write a whole book on the horrors of coal mining and how damaging it is to the men that do it but does that mean we should outlaw coal mining?
 
only because you men enjoy porn, it doesn't mean that women weren't hurt along the way starring the porn videos. men enjoy sex all the times, and they don't have much sexual attributes on their body, so acting porn is way enjoyable for them and there aren't much humiliation with showing off men's nude and sex images, unlike women who's the opposite way; their sexual attributes all lies on their bodies but less in their desires, thus they're made as sex objects and porn icon, which most of the times, not within their will as they were either, forced, framed and blackmailed to get attached in starring porn videos.
 
Agreed. Have you noticed the temperament of the feminists here on GW&S section? They are difficult, hard nosed, and impossible to speak reason to. However, there is a few spots in the feminist movement: not all feminists think alike and not all of them think "pornography objectifies women" or "pornography causes rape," an unfounded claim if ever there was one.

Some, such as Sallie Tisdale who wrote in the 1992 issue of Harper's Magazine how pornography fulfilled her sexual life and she has used it from time to time. Also, ACLU president Nadine Strossen has wrote a book defending pornography and she has argued in front of courts defending pornography and prostitution. Alternet has given former porn star Annie Sprinkles room to write columns about legislation protecting street walkers. So there is some signs of hope and maybe we can save the current feminist strand from its road to sexual puritanism and Dworkinism before they begin again to pass stupid anti-porn and anti-sex laws which intrudes into every aspect of our lives.

To Lilyta,
The only evidence the anti-porn feminist movement has brought up of a porn star getting blackmailed is Linda Lovelace. This woman has changed her story so many times over the years it is laughable that people like you still believe the "blackmail" and "force against her will" nonsense. Her first autobiography she never indicated getting raped. As a matter of fact, she said she enjoyed her time doing the Deep Throat. Then in her second book she said she was raped against her will. Then in her third autobiography she mentioned getting forced against her will by her first and second husband. Then in 2001, she did another porno shoot and this was years after she said was traumatized by porn. Her story keeps getting richer with each telling.....
 
Have you ever heard of a little girl who said she wanted to grow up to be a prostitute or a porn star?
 
Well said. I agree with most of what you have said here. And how do we keep this in check? Vote for the right people and make your voices heard the way the feminists do, by writing leters to your representatives and protesting the things you think are wrong.
 
It's Communism, not Fascism, but they both suck, so no reason to quibble over semantics.
 
Very well said. You can't really put it any better than that.

And as to why... well, just like how a little girl cries to daddy if she wants something... feminism cries to daddy government.

Because she's incapable of getting it done herself. There now must be a law and thought police. Freedom will become a thing of the past at this rate.
 
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