Debates aren't always questions with hard conclusions. They are just subjects with differing opinions (often hotly contested). And in reality, how are you going to back up your opinion with a "fact" on a subject like this? Most of it is all opinion, or peoples interpretation of facts.
Since our own little "debate" has gone off topic, I'm not going to post any more about it. My original post was within the parameters of this debate, and I stand by it.