Where do you rank your political beliefs?

Libertarians are actually more similar to Liberals. Both liberals and libertarians agree on the principle of self-ownership, which conservatives oppose.

Liberals and libertarians only disagree on external property. They both say you can own yourself, but they argue about whether you can own guns, lots of money, roaRAB, etc.

Libertarians and conservatives agree on issues of external property. But external property is meaningless if there is no self-ownership. There is, after all, no free market without free people.
 
Right state.

I am from kansas, where we just passed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. I was personally against it, and was willing to toss some money into the battle. A friend of mine who is gay talked me out of it. He said that they considered the battle in kansas to be a lost cause, and to hold onto my money and contribute it to help fight the federal court case that will be coming.

To date, the battle has been fought in state courts because they dealt primarily with state laws. Now that kansas has essentially placed the question of gay marriage outside the reach of Kansas courts and the kansas legislature, it opens the doors to federal courts.

I know that same gays in Kansas are pretty excited about this, and rightly so, given the sucess that the gay community has had in the courts to date. Conservative and liberal jusges alike have ruled on multiple occasions that banning gay marriage is unconstitutional at the state level, and almost always due to clauses worded very much like the equal protection amendment. NOW, they get to argue the case at a federal level and determine whether such restrictions violate the US constitution or not.

I would say that they almost certianly do. I have yet to see a legal expert, much less a judge, mount an effective explanation of how it might not.

Personally, I was raised catholic, and am extremely uncomfortable with the idea of gay marriage. I would prefer that we not have it in this country. That said, it is clear to me that regardless of my personal views, Gays should have thr ight to be married under our constitution and the foundation of jeffersonian democracy which our nation is built on. With that being the case, I plan to do my part to fight for the rights of gays to get married.

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who sad:

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death defending your right to say it" (paraphrased).

That is more or less my attitude on this issue. I personally do not like the idea, but I will do everythign in my power to ensure that homosexuals have the right to get married, adopt kiRAB (or have them..whatever), and have full access to all other rights and privelages that come with being an American. You cannot expect freedom for yourself if you are willing to deprive your fellow man of it.
 
I voted for Liberal, as would be expected. I think people commonly make the mistake of saying that conservatives support a small government. This is not true. Libertarians support small government. Conservatives support a small amount of government interference in economics and the free market system (flat taxes, few regulations) while supporting a large amount of government interference in individual morality and lifestyle (laws banning homosexuality, abortion, etc). Liberals support a large amount of interference in the free market system (environmental protections, wealth redistribution) and a small amount of interference in social or moral issues (equal treatment for all lifestyles and beliefs, legalizing marijuana, etc).
 
So the question then is, Eddie, do you think a democratic government should be allowed to make any law it likes? Should it be permissable for the government elect to start killing off hippies, or arrest people for wearing big hats?

Should it be able to control the presses or establish a state religion?

There's no clear cut line between pure constitutionalism and pure (representative) democracy.

I mean where do you stand on these sorts of issues?
 
I don`t really understand this....




Their decission to outlaw murder is unjust. But just like me stealing water from someone in order to save a dying man of thirst, I would say the end result is morally right. The means do not automaticly invalidate the end.
 
This poll is useless. Vor hasn't a clue what conservative nor liberal are.

He called fisically conservative polices liberal
He called anti large goverment policies liberal
He called slow change liberal

Vor's defintion is ann coulter's.

Anyone who disagrees with him is a liberal, that would also include Barry Goldwater if he was still alive.
 
We shall see...............DOMAS, Defense of Marriage Acts are vulnerable but a state amendment to ban gay marriage will be awfully hard to overturn and the U.S. Supreme Court will drop it like a hot potato citing states rights..........
 
Oh simple. VOR is trying to prove to me and waxy that he's not intelligent nor does he have a education. In fact, I explained how it worked and VOR seems content to contiually insult himself, not to mention how he states he's a coward. Whatever floats his boat I guess.

Besides, I find it amusing watching other people comment upon how intellectually sad vor is when he uses his catch phrase.

Actually, this is the first time i've seen him use it. Usually he would just use a bunch of perioRAB as well as smiley faces as a response. (I really hope he didn't think that style a actual response, as it was reeked of idiocy not to mention stupidity)

BTW vor, I take it you are still too cowardly to meet me one on one?
 
Well, both of you disagree with VOR, so you are therefore Liberals.

Let's run with this. If you both are liberals and are further right then VOR, doesn't that make VOR a hardcore leftists and the Republican party litterally a leftists socialist party?
 
There are Libertarians with conservative views, just like there are Republicans with libertarian views. There are however no libertarians with conserative views, nor conservatives with libertarian views, according to this model.

Are you pretending to be daft or do you really have trouble distinguishing a political party and a system of political beliefs?

libertarianism is an ideology

The Libertarian Party is a political party. Many Libertarians are also libertarians, many are not, and vice versa.
 
yeah no fascist either, for you extreme right, no communist, no social-democrat, this poll is stupid, i 'm not picking a capitalist one, i'd pick commie
 
I suggest you check this other posts which details how much he understanRAB about the different parities and ideological beliefs. The answer, I believe you will find, is a yes to the trouble.
 
Why? Do you recall the last wave of Supreme Court rulings invalidating state laws? How about how the federal government has shown no respect to state's rights at all in the past 4 years?

Please, your revistionist history is rather appalling.
 
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