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When did Stan Lee turn into a perv?
- Thread starter Lottie. x
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Keep in mind that many of the ideas and plots in the Marvel Silver Age were also thought up by Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko. Quite often, Stan just filled in the dialogue--which he was indisputably better at that Kirby or Ditko.
But you notice how Stan hasn't created anything decent since Kirby and Ditko? Yeah. There's a reason why "co-creator" meant more than people think. Everyone knows Kirby had some of the most imaginative ideas out there. He just needed someone to soften his clunky characterizations and dialogue. Same with Ditko. Ditko was great at spinning complex plots and creating weird things, he just needed someone like Stan to make it accessible.
But you notice how Stan hasn't created anything decent since Kirby and Ditko? Yeah. There's a reason why "co-creator" meant more than people think. Everyone knows Kirby had some of the most imaginative ideas out there. He just needed someone to soften his clunky characterizations and dialogue. Same with Ditko. Ditko was great at spinning complex plots and creating weird things, he just needed someone like Stan to make it accessible.
Er, pardon me if I have this wrong, but you're not putting all comics under the heading of "graphic novels", are you? Because the way you're putting it, it sounds that way.
Tell that to Kingdom Come.
That depends heavily - very heavily - on the show.
I actually like the concept of Superhero, and I'll admit, have watched it pretty faithfully - but a lot of Stan's judgments hover on that edge between comical and depressing.
Tell that to Kingdom Come.
That depends heavily - very heavily - on the show.
I actually like the concept of Superhero, and I'll admit, have watched it pretty faithfully - but a lot of Stan's judgments hover on that edge between comical and depressing.
I don't think Stan Lee is any more perverted than any other current day comic book creator out there. I've seen Mosaic and Condor, and I don't see what material might be considered perverted, at least by today's standards (at the very most, I might have rated them PG-13). I do remember seeing a very sexy female character in Condor, but I think she was meant to be an evil seductress in the story, so no foul there as far as I'm concerned (if they can get away with women running around in ultra-short miniskirts in Pokemon...)
Stripperella, on the other hand, was designed for a late-night, adult audience and was meant to be shamelessly campy and silly, IMO.
I dunno, I think that Stan Lee is just keeping up with the times. If he still wrote "family-friendly G-rated stories", then people probably would say he's too old-fashioned and still writing as if it's the '60s. It might be "a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" case here.
If Stan Lee's a pervert, it's only because we're living in perverted times, but I really don't buy that myself.
Stripperella, on the other hand, was designed for a late-night, adult audience and was meant to be shamelessly campy and silly, IMO.
I dunno, I think that Stan Lee is just keeping up with the times. If he still wrote "family-friendly G-rated stories", then people probably would say he's too old-fashioned and still writing as if it's the '60s. It might be "a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" case here.
If Stan Lee's a pervert, it's only because we're living in perverted times, but I really don't buy that myself.
Marvel does pay Stan some amount every year, and my understanding is that even without that, Stan's well off enough that he could easily spend his days by the pool working on his tan. He's doing most of the stuff he does now because he loves it and, on some level, I think he just can't keep still for very long. That was certainly the impression he gave when I talked to him at NYCC.
Anyway, I don't see a lot of sex inherent in the concepts of Mosaic or Condor, thought both of them got heavily sexed up in production. From what I gather, he's doing these things "Marvel-style" where he comes up with concepts and stories and other people flesh out the skeleton Stan lays out. I don't really get a solid sense of how involved Stan is with the later stages of the project. He said he gets to approve the final script and the model sheets, but doesn't have much control over the product once it goes to the animation company.
He also never worked directly on any of the animated projects, as far as I can recall. He might have done voiceover narrations for stuff like Spidey & His Amazing Friends, but I didn't think he wrote anything more for them.
As for projects like Striparella or the Superbunnies stuff, I'm not sure if that was Stan's idea or just the kind of thing anybody would come up with when trying to pitch shows to Spike TV. I mean, they're Spike. I think they must have a mandate that everything on that network has to blow up, have breasts, have blow-up breasts, or have breasts next to things blowing up.
-- Ed
Anyway, I don't see a lot of sex inherent in the concepts of Mosaic or Condor, thought both of them got heavily sexed up in production. From what I gather, he's doing these things "Marvel-style" where he comes up with concepts and stories and other people flesh out the skeleton Stan lays out. I don't really get a solid sense of how involved Stan is with the later stages of the project. He said he gets to approve the final script and the model sheets, but doesn't have much control over the product once it goes to the animation company.
He also never worked directly on any of the animated projects, as far as I can recall. He might have done voiceover narrations for stuff like Spidey & His Amazing Friends, but I didn't think he wrote anything more for them.
As for projects like Striparella or the Superbunnies stuff, I'm not sure if that was Stan's idea or just the kind of thing anybody would come up with when trying to pitch shows to Spike TV. I mean, they're Spike. I think they must have a mandate that everything on that network has to blow up, have breasts, have blow-up breasts, or have breasts next to things blowing up.
-- Ed