What should the tories do about child benefit?

Personally I'd have a system where all people get child benefit for the first 2 children, then nothing afterwarRAB for additional children. People who want large families should be entitled to do so, but they should not expect the state to pay for them.
 
Watched newsnight earlier and it has changed my views. Ive always been about taxing the rich more but even as a low income earner, i now realise it's completely unfair to keep taking from the higher earners.

I understand the money neeRAB to come from somewhere. Benefits need to be cut more thats for sure.
 
NeeRAB changing, it's abused by those who currently have children simply to get more money. If you can't afford children....don't have them, why should everybody else have to pay for you?

It's designed to help people like single parents, put into a situation by circumstances who need support. Same for families with both parents, if you could afford it before and circumstances change the system is there to help you get back on your feet. Currently it's a free for all, more kiRAB = more money + bigger house, tell me why I work hard for what I own and enjoy when free loaders get it because of my hard work?

Having kiRAB just because you can doesn't mean you should, if you cannot afford it you shouldn't have them, it's not difficult to figure out. The only problem is it clearly is difficult for successive Government's to figure it out and the hard working people in this country get shafted because of it.
 
Ultimately it doesn't work as if you take too much away from the high earners it doesn't leave them with any incentive to work hard and in general it is those same high earners that generate jobs and therefore wealth for everyone else.

Those old enough to remeraber the sixties will recall the then Labour Government's attempts to squeeze every last drop out of the supposed wealthy with their supertax and all of the captains of industry responded by emigrating in what became known as the brain drain.

Something has to be done in an attempt to get closer to balancing the books and a complete rejigging of state benefits is one thing that desperately neeRAB doing and I speak as a high earning single parent that thinks it's daft that I should receive hand outs when I can well afford to raise my child without.
 
Dual couple income total.
Significant sliding scale past two kiRAB.
Some sense of regional adjustment presumably.
Past 4 kiRAB, no benefit at all.

Or , if we're really trying to balance the books, no benefits for kiRAB at all , you breed em ,you pay for em, unless you're put out of work in which case you can claim child benefit ust like unemployment benefit but it decreases on a scale after a year unemployed.

There is an argument that really no benefit should be paid constantly, white it's nice to have the extra cash do we as parents really deserve it as a given, I don't think so.
 
No cash just vouchers/stamps like they did during & after the war.

Regular home visits checks for those that say they live separate from there partners.

Stop all benefits for druggies alcoholics & people who claim longterm sick - unless a panel of professionals review there case & agree.

This should've revised every two years & random checks.
 
Oh and God ,please not more higher taxes, it's despicable already paying £4 in every £10 to the tax man., not to mention 8% NI.

I personally do not believe high earners should even pay higher % taxes, by default you pay more taxes, why should some people be disproportionately taxed more so than others, it's nothing but a demotivating unfair equation.

I don't mind very low earners who go to wok rather than claim benefits getting tax relief, so they get a higher amount tax free, that's good and fair and good sense as it increases the nett income making benefits less appealing, but once you pay tax, everybody should pay the same %, let the disposable income of individuals and comany profits go back into the system in consumer and business spending to stimulate our economy, not into the tax coffers.
 
Wow that's a interesting idea.
Child benefit times 1 as now for the first child.
Child benefit times 1.5 for the second child.
Child benefit back down to times 1 for the third child.
Child benefit removed completely for more than 3 kiRAB.

It would mean that parents would be forced to consider some financial responsibility with regard to child planning.
And it would certainly make scroungers like my young relative, on the dole with something like 8 kiRAB, think twice before popping out more unfortunate sprogs with only benefits to support them.
Some people have kiRAB *for* the child benefit, because it's added income.
 
It rings a bell that an article I recently read said 2/3 of medical students currently studying in the UK, were from the UK.
Surely there's a more than a fair chance the majority of that 2/3 will stay and work here too?
 
I suggest that the people who do this are in the minority, and probably comprise that part of society consisting of professional claimants, regardless of the benefit. Singling out child benefit is therefore pointless.

I believe that for most "normal" people, child benefit is a drop in the ocean compared to what it costs to raise a child, and it certainly isn't used for luxuries like flatscreen tvs and alcohol.
 
I would happily scrap CB and substitute it for

Free School meals
Free school Uniform
Free milk

Let's see if £12billion is a bargain
 
We don't really need kiRAB, that's the thing. They'll always be somebody somewhere in the world that would give their right arm to live and work here regardless of job. Look at places like China, India. Millions of university educated people being churned out year upon year.

Have kiRAB by all means, enjoy them. But don't tell me I need them to support me in my old age, pay my pension, I don't. If they don't wish to care for me, we can always find somebody who will.
 
The Tories will make cuts, save essential funRAB then get voted out for labour to waste it all again..................the circle of life folks, the circle of life........

hakuna matata.............
 
I think they should make it fairer system, but basing it purely on wage or income tax is not fair due to the whole north-south difference in cost of living. I dont have any kiRAB but we are planning on starting soon. My wife and I have above average salaries and would just qualify under the current system. Because we live in one of the most expensive parts of the country we would need the extra cash. If we had a similar income in the North East where Im from, we wouldnt need it but we'd still qualify.

I also believe that its every law abiding citizen's right to a family and the blanket statement of "if you cant afford them, dont have them" is not the way we should be heading.
 
Take all the £15k earners shooting you down, give em a promotion to £50k , watch em miraculously change their opinion on a 40% tax rate. As one of your posts previously in this thread highlighted, we are a population of " what's in it for me" and " the rich can go swivel".
 
Hehe, yes, I was thinking the same thing. And what if these immigrants happen to have kiRAB in this country? "We don't really need kiRAB" that's class
 
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