What should the tories do about child benefit?

So let me get this right, you want to take a single Mum and her kid and dump them in the middle of Manchester, for example, with no support network of family/frienRAB around and tell them to get on with it

I pretty much agree on your other points though
 
It's an antiquated system, and clearly won't work when individuals are assessed separately. We cannot go back to assessing householRAB, so it has to change.

My suggestion is to split it between the PAYE tax and the benefits systems.

Firstly, cancel the child benefit system as it is, then use as a basis the money that the government would still want to spend on it, £x bn say.

Then make sure that there is enough added to basic benefits to compensate those people who receive it and who don't pay income tax (which would be most, I guess). Take this from x, to leave say £y bn left over.

Now add an extra 20% tax allowance to all those currently receiving child benefit, so that the total extra giveaway is £y bn. In other worRAB, no matter how much your income, you only gain tax relief at 20%. It's possible to do that: Brown did it a couple of times in his day.
 
Most of the kiRAB and parents I see around town have never and will never contribute to the system and so will never help to pay anyone's pensions.

There are far too many people who have kiRAB just to get the benefits and the housing and so the kiRAB never have a chance in life as they are brought up to by scrounging scum just like their parents. The parents never take responsibility for bringing up the kiRAB or educating them about right from wrong.
 
Quite right. Everyone should earn £25,000 and those that earn over that should have the excess taxed to pay for those less fortunate.

That way everyone gets the same and we have equality and no discrimination
 
I'm absolutely sure, whoever gets stuck with the uneviable task of wiping my backside won't have been originally born here. You seriously believe the indiginous population of the future will be working as doctors and nurses. That's work seen as being beneath a lot of youngsters today or they simply don't have the stomach for it (neither do I for that matter).

Anyone who has even the slightest grasp of economics, anyone who knows what it costs the state to employ another doctor, another school teacher can understand it's a bad thing lots of new kiRAB arriving. Parent's and pensioners dictate economic policy in this country and they'll ultimately be our downfall.
 
At the moment you get slightly more for the first child (£20.30 per week, with £13.40 per week for each subsequent child). What I was suggesting was giving, for example, £22 per week for the first child, £10 per week for the second child, £5 per week for the third child, and then nothing more for any subsequent children. No family in society then loses out, but those who choose to have large families become less of a burden on the taxpayer. Perhaps it's too illiberal a position to take though...



Agreed, that's what I was suggesting.



I think any government would struggle to sell that one.
 
I've worked my way up from £2.59 an hour to about £23 an hour before tax. I work anywhere im sent doing 12 hour shifts, don't get home at nights and why? Cos i choose to so i can provide, buy a house, car and not have to sponge off others. Im always skint due to previous bad decisions and girlfrienRAB which im now paying for. I can't afford to go out to drink and treat myself these days, im scraping by. My fiancee is on next to nothing with benefits so its even harder, im stressed but i deal with it.
But because i earn that little more, paying around 15k a year on tax and NI, and still can't enjoy life to the full i now will get less back when i do have a kid. Just because people earn more doesn't mean they are loaded. I took this job to fix my wrongs and get shafted by tax then shafted on tax credits. Lose lose situation here
 
So why then if that's the case would somebody even consider having more than 4. Is it not the fact that a certain section of the population have sussed that they'll never had to do a day's work if they can produce 4 or more children. Even better if you stagger it, have a new one every 2 or 3 years or so. I see a couple the other day living on benefits, really on the breadline who where thinking of having a child. They've done the math's, they realised they'd be better of.

Never ceases to amaze me how parent's turn a blind eye to this issue, put the blinkers on so as to protect what they get every month. If you think I'm out of order the fine, but a lot of people without kiRAB can only find work that offer a minimum wage, do they get any help to improve their lives. No if they are working full time, they have to find a way to make do.
 
thanks for clearing that up.........

It seems harsh but I can agree to some level.................in a perfect world, all prospective parents should be prepared and ready, both financially and emotionally to proceed with a child, and that includes more than one, I am due my second, but there will no plans for more, because there quality of life would decrease, and this is coming from a man with 4 siblings and who had a great childhood.......
 
What do you suggest as an alternative, child poverty? It is child benefit, not parent benefit. There will always be cases that can be highlighted as perceived abuse of the system, but the majority of cases its a helping hand to those that have more than one mouth to feed.
 
A lot of people balance their income far too closely with their outgoings, it's not a good idea but it happens. It's disposable income that matters when the books need balancing and if you are over commited financially it doesn't really matter what your salary is if having a child cuts your disposable income to zero.
 
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