What is your take on this quote? Does our politeness prove our gentility of the

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spirit? I place a high moral value on the way people behave. I find it repellent to have a lot, and to behave with anything other than courtesy in the old sense of the word - politeness of the heart, a gentleness of the spirit.
Fran Lebowitz
I appreciate your answer CP, but what I am refering to...is a tonal value of the person, which indeed reflects the gentleness of the spirit...

there are just certain sounds that are very real and true... our spirits do hear these and can distinguish... the sounds... i am speaking of are galaxies away from the shorelines of deceit...

so this is the kind of thing i wish to address here... if possible ...

and CP I love your quick mind for it is so very sharp and full of great discernment.
The Sweetness of the Spirit is changed... into one which resonates all that is good, recogniton is possible. Our presence changes, this is part of transforming grace.. creating in us anewness. So yes politeness of heart is shared, known and recognized.. there is a gentleness of spirit that goes beyond understanding.
should be a small s for spirit.. when it is ours...
thereso ... I am speaking of having a spiritual composure... that discerns vast distances beyond flattering words, this concerns our transformation... inside the heart chalice...which pours from the well springs of life...
 
Some people go through their days with social politeness that can fool all but the eyes and ears and heart of Spirit. There is nothing in a gentle pure heart that allows for harming others. There is no mask. In order to bring about an unconditionally kind and loving demeanor we have to lay aside our goals for self promotion and external power.

"I place a high moral value on the way people behave. I find it repellent to have a lot, and to behave with anything other than courtesy in the old sense of the word - politeness of the heart, a gentleness of the spirit."
Fran Lebowitz

Yes :) This quote resonates in my heart deeply. Just the other day I was telling a friend that I feel a strengthening yearning for gentleness...of myself...a vulnerability. A politeness of the heart (not to be confuse with an egoic identity of politeness...that is a mask) is cultivated by careful gardening. It is by choosing to follow the kind, gentle whispers of the heart (voice of Spirit), getting in touch with the love there. Then we treat ourselves lovingly and all others lovingly and with compassion, gentleness and true politeness of the heart.

"thereso ... I am speaking of having a spiritual composure... that discerns vast distances beyond flattering words, this concerns our transformation... inside the heart chalice...which pours from the well springs of life..." beautiful words...they resonate deeply and so perfectly in my heart.

This type of connection to divine courtesy takes a willingness to choose to align ourselves with the harmlessness of Spirit. It takes pure intentions. We all long to be back in our Father's arms/heaven/divine love/home/source (whatever name one chooses) and I feel in my heart this is the path we must take--gentleness, unconditional courtesy, harmlessness, lack of self promotion and naked honesty....LOVE.

Discernment....yes, it is like our heart and spirit can recognize and fall immediately in love and recognition, a divine remembrance, of all others. We recognize the divine inspiration in other's words in our own hearts. We hear it gladly! Sometimes my eyes tear up, and I always feel a warmth in my heart when I hear these words...of truth and love. When we are seeing from the eyes and ears and hearts of spirit we cannot be led astray. We can see straight through the smooth talk of deception and empty words of self promotion.

I love you :)
 
Politeness, in the true sense of the word, is not only displaying manners externally, it is also respecting the another's circumstances, so as to enhance them personally, in all ways you can. It involves deference and respect and true, impartial love.
 
The quote certainly makes a point but seems to be void of balance, which is so needed - you see, some of the world's moth ruthless people have used guise to snare their victims, like bank robber Willie Sutton

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/famous-cases/willie-sutton.

Bible, 2 Corinthians 11

5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been thoroughly made manifest among you in all things.

rude in speech ... get it?

11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

I can't think of one single prophet that was a "sweet talker", most told it the way it was and were hated by the hypocritical "love birds" because of their terse manner. So really it's not always all so much about how the message is delivered as contrasted to what the message really is, John knew this on Patmos.

Even serial child murderer John Gacy posed as a laughable, lovable clown
http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GWYF_enUS296US296&q=john+gacy&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=-BJMTdHYFsH68Abt1fDKDg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQsAQwAQ&biw=1003&bih=541

There are a lot of wicked people out there according to the Bible and many will use charm and cunning, because of their increased deviance.

God's message is about the whole story: Good, Bad and Ugly and seems to me if one is just going to bring the sugar and ignore the possible consequences that are clearly speed out, they will one day come down pretty darn hard off that sugar high. An over flattering tongue is pride, which comes before the fall.

Don't get me wrong kindness is a good thing, but according to Gods words, flattery is dispicable

Romans 16:18
For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.

1 Thessalonians 2:5
For we never came with flattering speech, as you know, nor with a pretext for greed-- God is witness-

Jude 1:16
These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their own lusts; they speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage.
 
you are correct

there is no void of balance here
when the above quotes paul writing to the church in corinth
thats different
you are speaking of how we should be treating others
((period))
paul was speaking to the church
bringing some of them to reproach
which needed to be done
sometimes in doing this
one cant always be polite and diplomatic
because theyre supposed to know better
theyre supposed to be trying to live above reproach
 
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