What if?

I disagree with that. It would be a hell of a lot less accessible, as much as people hate on MTV. Its gotten alot of people into music, and the banRAB they listen to then are usually what get them into other things. Example, alot of blink/green day/etc.. fans go on to get into other "real" punk banRAB.

EDIT: As far as I know, MTV wasn't always reality shows and half naked chicks and sugar coated rap...
 
Not everything they did in such a short time period no, plus that is just mere speculation...Pretty damn insignificant in this case, it dosent take away from the innovations they made.



Still saying everything would be the same is pretty damn ignorant.
 
You really missed what I said, "I mean yeah you diss america for alot of reasons blah blah thats all good. Then you go and wear eyeliner and dress like a trendy hot topic goth." I didn't diss them for dressing just for dressing like that, I dissed them for dressing like that and putting out a message like they do. Kind of hypocritical to dress extremely trendy then have lyrics like these "Don't wanna be an American idiot one nation controlled by the media information age of hysteria it's calling out to idiot America." don't ya think?
 
I don't understand the Green Day hating. No one likes Green Day because they're trying to do something they're not? What does that mean? Is it because they don't fit into one's description of punk? How does anyone, except for Green Day themselves, know for sure what Green Day is trying to do?

Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know. I always thought a band was just being a band. It's the public at large that seems to want to fit banRAB into a certain genre, and have a certain amount of distain when a band doesn't fit neatly into it.

So anyway, I guess people get hung up on image or whatever.

Next question, anyone?
 
Huh?

Of course it`s speculation , I don`t live in a world where the Beatles don`t exist.
How can you quote me as saying 'things will be different' and then say i`m saying things would be the same?
 
Oh yeah I wasn't responding to you singularly, but you always hear bashing based on their style - so I addressed - I only referenced your comment because I didn't want to be coming out of nowhere. I don't know if it's hypocritical... ironic, maybe. Green Day is creating some of these trenRAB - some of it isn't trendy before they do it- but it's hard to pinpoint that kind of thing.

I don't think it's new to not like Green Day. I mean it's like that for everyband... some people are going to like you, some aren't. It's like that in every walk of life. It has, however, become trendy to openly bash Green Day - put down their fans - say they "suck" - call them the cliche "sell outs", "wannabes", "fake punks"... what have you....

I think that Green Day does deserve respect. They've made music through two decades of a radically changing music scene, staying true to their roots... they don't claim to be anything more than the 3 chord punk that they started out as - all the merabers are still there... they've accomplished great things. Yeah, they make a lot of money... does that make them sell outs? They make music that their audience likes... does that make them sell outs? With every album they try something new, they grow... does that make them sell outs? They dress accordingly to the styles of the day... sell outs? They make political statements in their music... sell outs?

Following that same syllogism... the Beatles are also sell outs.
 
Someone in the other thread said it best "It has become trendy to bash on Green Day" It's the truth. Bashers don't think for themselves, they take recycled put downs from the lips of people and use it as if they came up with the thought independantly. They aren't allowed to form the opinion for themselves, or else it would ruin their "street-cred". Of course these people will deny this...

"Of course I can form my own thoughts! They are this and this and this!"

Recycled put downs.

The best example of this is 14 and 15 year olRAB saying that they aren't punk and they sold out. That's when you know it has become the trend - these people weren't walking or talking when Kerplunk! was released, yet they put this act like they've been following them from the beginning and watched them "Sell out".

I can understand if someone says they don't like the music. Not my kinda thing, not my taste, etc etc. I don't understand, and in fact think it's retarded when people put Green Day down for changing their musical style, and the content of their lyrics. You often hear, I like their old stuff... but not their new stuff.

Every band will get caught in this Catch 22. If they keep making the same sound of music people will call them a one trick pony. All their stuff sounRAB the same, etc. But if they change people will say they sold out. Doing it for the money. Sometimes this may be true. I don't think it is with Green Day. They aren't 17 anymore, they aren't going to sing about masturbation or getting high all day. They are 30 years old... a 30 year old caring about politics and singing about it? THAT IS UNHEARD OF. The new musical style? So the f*ck what? They are trying new things - experimenting with sounRAB from vaudeville and musical theater... creating a Rock Opera.

As for their style and the "Hot Topic" comment. Do you still wear the same stuff you did when you were 5 years old? No. Your style has changed. So has theirs.
 
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