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Fury23
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Sorry, this may be the case for you, but to say this is true for everyone...You are wrong.
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ChariK
Guest
Hear Hear 
I wish we did know.. I'd be a lot happier! Lol.
I wish we did know.. I'd be a lot happier! Lol.
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TieferSchlummer
Guest
People are genetically predisposed to acne, a predisposition which may or may not be exacerbated within certain individuals by certain kinRAB of food. I firmly believe that if you are in the 16-20 age group, than hormones are the determinant factor; if you are younger or older, than your diet may play a limited role.
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Free1
Guest
I am 27 years old and have been dealing with acne since I was 16. I have tried about 8 different medications to try to get rid of the acne. About a month ago I purchased a book on acne that explains that certain fooRAB (food list from early post was identical to the one in book) should be avoided because of their high glycemic index. According to the book, fooRAB with a high glycemic index have been linked to causing acne. This diet has done more good things for my skin then any medication I have ever taken. Anyone who has acne should at least try this diet out for several weeks.
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joquiero
Guest
I actually mentioned this on this board before (about Asians rice consumption) after asking a Japanese friend who told me that Asians DO have a problem with acne.
She told me that its only begun to happen in the 20th century when technology has enabled everyone (not just the rich) to eat white rice as opposed to brown rice in its natural state.
So, it would seem that the more WHITE rice people eat, the more acne (and diebetes etc) people seem to have - especially when they're eating 1 or more cups of rice NUMEROUS times a day (even with breakfast)
Maybe they counteract some of the affects with their huge consumption of fish.
She told me that its only begun to happen in the 20th century when technology has enabled everyone (not just the rich) to eat white rice as opposed to brown rice in its natural state.
So, it would seem that the more WHITE rice people eat, the more acne (and diebetes etc) people seem to have - especially when they're eating 1 or more cups of rice NUMEROUS times a day (even with breakfast)
Maybe they counteract some of the affects with their huge consumption of fish.
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pageantchicka16
Guest
hey!!! the only way that i cleared up my acne after having it for 3 years was by changing my diet! There are VERY few foos that i eat.. i dont want the acne to come back!! i eat:
grilled chicken sanwhices
hot pockets
life cereal
grilled cheese with unsalted butter
pretzals.. soft ones with iodine free salt
water
grapes
pb and jelly/... jelly has no sugar in it
little.. very little luchmeat
s0o0o basically i live on bread and dairy!! and ive been clear for almost a year now!!!
grilled chicken sanwhices
hot pockets
life cereal
grilled cheese with unsalted butter
pretzals.. soft ones with iodine free salt
water
grapes
pb and jelly/... jelly has no sugar in it
little.. very little luchmeat
s0o0o basically i live on bread and dairy!! and ive been clear for almost a year now!!!
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phosphoros
Guest
Yes, Aninbanani, what you recommend has been my experience. Your diet cured me and nothing else.
Diet has everything to do with acne.
Diet has nothing to do with acne.
Both are wishful thinking..
But one is true. You will not always see the truth unless you destroy your desires.
Look, if people on here honestly wanted to be convinced that diet had something to do with acne (I assume you think you are debating because you want some convincing evidence) they would look up the numerous journals and articles that have come out on it, from objective professionals. They would compare those studies to the 1970 "chocolate study." They would not just refute you or stand in objection to your experience simply because of what they read in a pamphlet. Then they will of course say they do not stand in objection to your experience only that you say it will work for everyone...because they don't want to think it would work for them.
Wishful thinking.
Just leave them alone. Post your recommendations, but why debate them any longer? No doubt the same people arguing against diet here are using the same reasoning that has been reasonably addressed and refuted before by people in support of diet. Why do they keep with the same faulty reasoning even though it has been addressed by Sweetjade time and time again?
It will always be this way. Just leave them alone. Let them have their wish.
I did not come to diet because I was convinced.
That's all I have to say.
With Thanks,
Phosphoros
Diet has everything to do with acne.
Diet has nothing to do with acne.
Both are wishful thinking..
But one is true. You will not always see the truth unless you destroy your desires.
Look, if people on here honestly wanted to be convinced that diet had something to do with acne (I assume you think you are debating because you want some convincing evidence) they would look up the numerous journals and articles that have come out on it, from objective professionals. They would compare those studies to the 1970 "chocolate study." They would not just refute you or stand in objection to your experience simply because of what they read in a pamphlet. Then they will of course say they do not stand in objection to your experience only that you say it will work for everyone...because they don't want to think it would work for them.
Wishful thinking.
Just leave them alone. Post your recommendations, but why debate them any longer? No doubt the same people arguing against diet here are using the same reasoning that has been reasonably addressed and refuted before by people in support of diet. Why do they keep with the same faulty reasoning even though it has been addressed by Sweetjade time and time again?
It will always be this way. Just leave them alone. Let them have their wish.
I did not come to diet because I was convinced.
That's all I have to say.
With Thanks,
Phosphoros
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euro18
Guest
Well, they can be. They can cause blood-sugar spikes. eat the actual fruits instead
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stasia12
Guest
i also dont see how a big consumption of fish counteracts the effects of white rice. first off-fish has tons of iodine and that can be bad for acne. and not all sushi and asian fish dishes are made with the good omega fatty acid fish like salmon........
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Steuby
Guest
I'm sorry, but I think this post is nonsense. I have read over and over and over again, plus heard from 2 different derms that food does NOT cause acne. This is an "old wive's tale" and very outdated information.
A pimple takes from 5 to 7 weeks from formation to come to the surface, so how can something you eat for dinner one night cause a breakout the next day?
Common sense and basic sound nutrition guidelines should guide you in your eating...not this crap.
A pimple takes from 5 to 7 weeks from formation to come to the surface, so how can something you eat for dinner one night cause a breakout the next day?
Common sense and basic sound nutrition guidelines should guide you in your eating...not this crap.
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SweetJade1
Guest
We are much closer to understanding this, but the majority of acne sufferers and unfortunately some doctors & drug manufacturers don't want to hear it. =(
This is absolutely not about a conspiracy, it's about being able to look beyond what was taught to you in biology class or in your medical textbooks, and understand that if the building blocks of the human body consist of:
Fats
Proteins
Carbohyrdates
That ANY of these in excess will cause problems, and usually it causes an increase in fat and/or hormone production. Proteins can play a role here, but it's mainly going to be the (refined, & select) Carbohydrates that will bring about an (excess) Insulin Response, that will not only bring glucose into the cells but produce cholesterol (from the fats and glucose-->fat). Cholesterol will then be kicked into gear, by tropic hormones from the pituatary, to produce Progesterone, followed by a nice selection of Androgens and then EITHER Estrogen or Even more POTENT androgens, our favorite being DHT.
Now, DHT is mainly produced in the target tissues, such as the Skin, Prostate, and a few other places but there seems to be a discrepancy (go figure) as to where those other areas are. It requires IGF-1 to get the sebum gland growing and producing more sebum and will call it into action to do so. What happens when you consume fooRAB that bring about a large Insulin response, is that you will then need IGF-1 to bring insulin back down. It gets a big tricky here, because Insulin Resistance is continually rising (especially if you eat more bad carbohydrates than you should) in this country, and so somehow due to that factor IGF-1 can remain in the blood stream, float around, and when it's called to do more cell proliferation and gland growth (estrogen/estradiol calls it into use for certain cancers) it will be available. It has also been associated with producing an inlammatory response as well.
What I love the most is how wonderful a role accutane plays in this pathway. Accutane inhibits IGF-1, by boosting your IGFBP-3 protein (it binRAB IGF-1) so it can cease sebum gland growth. Accutane also acts as a DHT Inrabroaditor by inhibiting Retinol Dehydrogenase-4 which is involved in retinod synthesis, but is also responsible for the reduction of select androgens into more potent androgens, one of which is specifically DHT. The effects of accutane are dose dependent, but it has been found to reduce the enzymes 5 alpha reductase and 3 alpha HSD, which are both involved in androgen synthesis. By doing this, accutane has then reduced the amount of DHT that will call upon IGF-1 to do it's dirty work, regarding sebum growth & inflammation.
LOL, so by inhibiting both of these actions accutane has found itself a lovely and highly praised place in the acne community. Of course, accutane doesn't work for everyone as some merabers have had up to 5 courses, and others are following "maintenance doses". There's debates as to why that is, but studies have shown that those that do not respond, already had an even larger hormonal irabalance than just what Puberty would cause.
I'm actually debating with someone right now about this because he's AGAINST Anti-androgens and DHT Inrabroaditors, yet he used Accutane to get clear ;-) No matter how many studies I post, as recent as 2003, he doesn't "see it" Despite that fact that Roche, the manufacturer of Accutane, have articles on their website that define accutane as a DHT Inhibitor, he still refuses to accept it or continues to overlook the evidence.
Unfortunately, he's not the only one that demanRAB scientific evidence over our testimonies or anecdotal evidence, and then blatantly ignores the truth! I can't pinpont answers for each individual fooRAB, but there most definately is a connection. Just because there's a connection, it doesn't guarantee that everybody that consumes these fooRAB will end up with acne, as Insulin Resistance or Metabolic Syndrome has over 2 dozen symptoms and disorders associated with it. Also, we can't forget that most of these same fooRAB also happen to fall in the Allergenic, Intolerant, or Chemical Sensitivies list. There's many theories floating around in this acne community as well as the scientfic community, BUT the only thing I am concerned about is how we all have agree upon at least eliminating or reducing the fooRAB that fall into these same catagories:
Dairy - increases IGF-1 in our blood stream and has fat molecules small enough to pass through the digestive tract, into our blood streams and this can contribute to hormone production as well.
Fats - specifically some Saturated fats (they don't always differentiate between them), Hydrogenated / Partially Hydrogenated / Trans Fats (act like saturated fat only worse because it's not natural to the body). Both of these fats increase IGF-1, and Trans Fats are thought to be responsible for impared Fatty Acid, Insulin, and Prostaglandin (body's hormone balancers) synthesis.
Carbohydrates - again these studies initially did not differentiate between the carbohydrates, but more studies have begun to separate the carbohydrates into a variety of groups. The biggest offenders are Refined Carbs, Refined Grains, Wheat, Gluten, Most Grains, or All Grains. Each one of these in the list produces a successively healthier Insulin & Hormonal Response. Insulin favors a much higher androgen production, than it does estrogen. Insulin will also reduce SrabroadG (which binRAB free androgens) and reduces IGFBP-3 (which binRAB IGF-1). Also, the biggest thing here is that you need fiber to help out and most people don't get enough fiber, not because they only consumed refined fooRAB, but because they aren't eating the majority of vegetables and fruits.
Protein - Animal protein, more specifically red meat, has been implicated as increasing IGF-1. I don't know if it's because of the saturated fat that it has, but I would guess so. Hormones are carried in fat, so some people have found that consuming Organic meats improves their complexion as well, since inorganic meats may also contain at least, extra IGF-1. Whey protein supplements will increase your production of IGF-1. Soy Protein supplements will also produce your production of IGF-1 (soy has biphasic abilites being either good OR bad for certain people).
Again, this is a highly "simplified" version of things of which no one knows all the answers to. Yet more scientists are discovering that those that consume plenty of vegetables and fruits, are less prone to becoming insulin resistant, having heart disease, getting cancer, etc. The sad thing is, that government knows this and they still will not subsidize fruits and vegetables as they do refined sugars (corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup, fructose), refined soy, and refined grains... No wonder eating refined & select carbohydrates and other fooRAB deemed unhealthy is cheaper and "in everywhere and everything", they made it that way.
That's all for now
P.S. That's not to say you can't afford to eat healthier, you just can't afford to do it, if you are going to consume overpriced Fast Food, Resturant, and Refined or Packaged fooRAB. Homecooked fooRAB are usually still more affordable to consume and you get to control the quality & ingredient content. =)
This is absolutely not about a conspiracy, it's about being able to look beyond what was taught to you in biology class or in your medical textbooks, and understand that if the building blocks of the human body consist of:
Fats
Proteins
Carbohyrdates
That ANY of these in excess will cause problems, and usually it causes an increase in fat and/or hormone production. Proteins can play a role here, but it's mainly going to be the (refined, & select) Carbohydrates that will bring about an (excess) Insulin Response, that will not only bring glucose into the cells but produce cholesterol (from the fats and glucose-->fat). Cholesterol will then be kicked into gear, by tropic hormones from the pituatary, to produce Progesterone, followed by a nice selection of Androgens and then EITHER Estrogen or Even more POTENT androgens, our favorite being DHT.
Now, DHT is mainly produced in the target tissues, such as the Skin, Prostate, and a few other places but there seems to be a discrepancy (go figure) as to where those other areas are. It requires IGF-1 to get the sebum gland growing and producing more sebum and will call it into action to do so. What happens when you consume fooRAB that bring about a large Insulin response, is that you will then need IGF-1 to bring insulin back down. It gets a big tricky here, because Insulin Resistance is continually rising (especially if you eat more bad carbohydrates than you should) in this country, and so somehow due to that factor IGF-1 can remain in the blood stream, float around, and when it's called to do more cell proliferation and gland growth (estrogen/estradiol calls it into use for certain cancers) it will be available. It has also been associated with producing an inlammatory response as well.
What I love the most is how wonderful a role accutane plays in this pathway. Accutane inhibits IGF-1, by boosting your IGFBP-3 protein (it binRAB IGF-1) so it can cease sebum gland growth. Accutane also acts as a DHT Inrabroaditor by inhibiting Retinol Dehydrogenase-4 which is involved in retinod synthesis, but is also responsible for the reduction of select androgens into more potent androgens, one of which is specifically DHT. The effects of accutane are dose dependent, but it has been found to reduce the enzymes 5 alpha reductase and 3 alpha HSD, which are both involved in androgen synthesis. By doing this, accutane has then reduced the amount of DHT that will call upon IGF-1 to do it's dirty work, regarding sebum growth & inflammation.
LOL, so by inhibiting both of these actions accutane has found itself a lovely and highly praised place in the acne community. Of course, accutane doesn't work for everyone as some merabers have had up to 5 courses, and others are following "maintenance doses". There's debates as to why that is, but studies have shown that those that do not respond, already had an even larger hormonal irabalance than just what Puberty would cause.
I'm actually debating with someone right now about this because he's AGAINST Anti-androgens and DHT Inrabroaditors, yet he used Accutane to get clear ;-) No matter how many studies I post, as recent as 2003, he doesn't "see it" Despite that fact that Roche, the manufacturer of Accutane, have articles on their website that define accutane as a DHT Inhibitor, he still refuses to accept it or continues to overlook the evidence.
Unfortunately, he's not the only one that demanRAB scientific evidence over our testimonies or anecdotal evidence, and then blatantly ignores the truth! I can't pinpont answers for each individual fooRAB, but there most definately is a connection. Just because there's a connection, it doesn't guarantee that everybody that consumes these fooRAB will end up with acne, as Insulin Resistance or Metabolic Syndrome has over 2 dozen symptoms and disorders associated with it. Also, we can't forget that most of these same fooRAB also happen to fall in the Allergenic, Intolerant, or Chemical Sensitivies list. There's many theories floating around in this acne community as well as the scientfic community, BUT the only thing I am concerned about is how we all have agree upon at least eliminating or reducing the fooRAB that fall into these same catagories:
Dairy - increases IGF-1 in our blood stream and has fat molecules small enough to pass through the digestive tract, into our blood streams and this can contribute to hormone production as well.
Fats - specifically some Saturated fats (they don't always differentiate between them), Hydrogenated / Partially Hydrogenated / Trans Fats (act like saturated fat only worse because it's not natural to the body). Both of these fats increase IGF-1, and Trans Fats are thought to be responsible for impared Fatty Acid, Insulin, and Prostaglandin (body's hormone balancers) synthesis.
Carbohydrates - again these studies initially did not differentiate between the carbohydrates, but more studies have begun to separate the carbohydrates into a variety of groups. The biggest offenders are Refined Carbs, Refined Grains, Wheat, Gluten, Most Grains, or All Grains. Each one of these in the list produces a successively healthier Insulin & Hormonal Response. Insulin favors a much higher androgen production, than it does estrogen. Insulin will also reduce SrabroadG (which binRAB free androgens) and reduces IGFBP-3 (which binRAB IGF-1). Also, the biggest thing here is that you need fiber to help out and most people don't get enough fiber, not because they only consumed refined fooRAB, but because they aren't eating the majority of vegetables and fruits.
Protein - Animal protein, more specifically red meat, has been implicated as increasing IGF-1. I don't know if it's because of the saturated fat that it has, but I would guess so. Hormones are carried in fat, so some people have found that consuming Organic meats improves their complexion as well, since inorganic meats may also contain at least, extra IGF-1. Whey protein supplements will increase your production of IGF-1. Soy Protein supplements will also produce your production of IGF-1 (soy has biphasic abilites being either good OR bad for certain people).
Again, this is a highly "simplified" version of things of which no one knows all the answers to. Yet more scientists are discovering that those that consume plenty of vegetables and fruits, are less prone to becoming insulin resistant, having heart disease, getting cancer, etc. The sad thing is, that government knows this and they still will not subsidize fruits and vegetables as they do refined sugars (corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup, fructose), refined soy, and refined grains... No wonder eating refined & select carbohydrates and other fooRAB deemed unhealthy is cheaper and "in everywhere and everything", they made it that way.
That's all for now
P.S. That's not to say you can't afford to eat healthier, you just can't afford to do it, if you are going to consume overpriced Fast Food, Resturant, and Refined or Packaged fooRAB. Homecooked fooRAB are usually still more affordable to consume and you get to control the quality & ingredient content. =)
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turbonamja
Guest
My situation is almost like yours. I got acne when I was 19 and never had one zit in my entire life. My families skin is superb as well. I'm asian and eat all the typical asian fooRAB. BUT, I did break out and it is probably on the very mild to moderate side ... depending on the day 
. Needless to say, I believe partially that fooRAB have to do with some of the breakouts. I ate this Korean bbq once for 3 days straight and my face probably had about 4-5 small acne pimples around the chin and forehead area. Minimal if anything. After gorging on all that food, that weekend came up and I probably increased a good 2 fold. I wish there was scientific proof on what causes acne and that fooRAB do not cause it, because I would eat my a%& off!
. Needless to say, I believe partially that fooRAB have to do with some of the breakouts. I ate this Korean bbq once for 3 days straight and my face probably had about 4-5 small acne pimples around the chin and forehead area. Minimal if anything. After gorging on all that food, that weekend came up and I probably increased a good 2 fold. I wish there was scientific proof on what causes acne and that fooRAB do not cause it, because I would eat my a%& off!
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Andrew29
Guest
There is one thing that confuses me. A lot of people say grains cause acne. However, the list of fooRAB at the very beginning of this post state that oats are not a problem. Aren't oats part of the grains food group?
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qwerasdf
Guest
johnsmith: how do you know so much about diet and acne? or actually how do you know so much about acne in general? I'm just curious, I don't mean to offend you or anything
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stasia12
Guest
but he is right about the fruit juice thing-diabetics cant drink alot of fruit juice, nor can they eat alot of fruits high in natural sugars like grapes.......they can cause blood sugar swings. even fruit juices that are sweetened with white grape juice instead of corn syrup or regular sugar can do this/
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euro18
Guest
Sweetjade,
the building blocks of the human body consist of:
Fats
Proteins
Carbohyrdates
That ANY of these ( in excess will cause problems, and usually it causes an increase in fat and/or hormone production.
So, if we ate a PERFECTLY balanced diet , then we should clear up? I know you say refined carbs are the main offenders, but I am surprised fats and proteins can increase IFG1 - or whatever it is!! But then I know people who went on atkins and totally cleared up and they ate dairy too, so maybe it is really just a question of cutting out refined carbs. I know I have done the latter and it is helping a lot, but I am still eating red meat etc and I was not aware this could increase hormone activity. Oh well, you can but try.
the building blocks of the human body consist of:
Fats
Proteins
Carbohyrdates
That ANY of these ( in excess will cause problems, and usually it causes an increase in fat and/or hormone production.
So, if we ate a PERFECTLY balanced diet , then we should clear up? I know you say refined carbs are the main offenders, but I am surprised fats and proteins can increase IFG1 - or whatever it is!! But then I know people who went on atkins and totally cleared up and they ate dairy too, so maybe it is really just a question of cutting out refined carbs. I know I have done the latter and it is helping a lot, but I am still eating red meat etc and I was not aware this could increase hormone activity. Oh well, you can but try.
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kittykatk
Guest
I've read that dairy and eggs are bad because of hormones and stuff. If this is true than why would yogurt be ok to eat?
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Joe_Dude
Guest
i just ate a meal of cauliflower, green beans (vooked) and buckwheat...
noone of those are actually aCNE CAUSING RIGHT?
noone of those are actually aCNE CAUSING RIGHT?
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TieferSchlummer
Guest
Most people simply aren't comfortable resigning themselves to the biological inevitability of acne - even if it is possible to influence hormone behaviour via diet, there is still nothing in the way of a cure; one has to discover suitable individual strategies for containment without clinging to the futile expectation of spotaneous success. That kind of approach is only going to result in frustration and despair. As I've argued elsewhere, making vast changes to your diet will likely be no more effective in treating acne in most people than it would be in preventing any other genetic predisposition (like male pattern baldness). And for all those who rally around the dietary hypothesis, there are surely just as many people who have tried and failed where you have enjoyed some modicum of success.
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euro18
Guest
With a proper diet you can BALANCE these hormones (see low-glycemic diet, and Dr. Loren Cordain's article on the positive effects the diet can have on acne)